Talk:Holden

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reference no 8

It seems this reference is misleading. Yes HMBB did build a couple of Ford T bodies c1923 but the reference indicates hmbb was a source of Ford bodies. Until Ford Aust est bodies for T Fords were produced in the main by each Ford Distributor, in Victoria it was Tarrants in NSW it was Davis & Fehon. Refer The History of Ford in Australia chapter 2. by Norm Darwin

On the matter of Fishermen's Bend. I have a Holden publication dated 1936 titled "The Changing Trend" by GMH that shows there address as Fishermen's Bend. GMH continued to use this Fishermen's Bend through the 60s and when publishing 100 Years of GM in Australia I had a discussion with Holden's PR dept about the spelling and apostrophe. As there was more than one Fisherman on the bend of the Yarra perhaps the apostrophe should have been after the S. Just to confuse things an early copy of Morgan's Street Directory spells it Fisherman's Bend, but then they show it where Garden City should be. Victorian place names use Fishermens Bend as a Historical ref and Fishermans Bend as the Official name. No apostrophe. Holden's address is now Port Melbouurne. (Sloper35 (talk) 11:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)) Reading further I have some more comments about references. Ref no 18. The Holden design was based on a pre-war GM Product Study Group project to see if a 4 cylinder light cars performance was better or worse than a 6 cylinder. Two cars were built using some modified 1938 Chevrolet body parts, hence the confusion. The cars were known as the 195-Y-13 (4 cylinder) and 195-Y-15 (6 cylinder). The 6 cylinder spec was very close to that proposed for the Holden car and so it was largely used. see 100 Years of GM in Australia p187, History of Holden Since 1917 p155. Heart of the Lion p48. Ref no 20 The FX designation. Loffler contends that this came from GMH. I dissagree, the FX does not fit into the codes used by GMH engineering at the time. The letter codes stood for the year numeral. (see 100 Years of GM in Australia p 224)It is my understanding that the Used Car Dealers (possibly Kevin Dennis) coined the letters after the FJ release, after all 2 didgets cost less to typeset than 6 didgets (48-215). Loffler offers no source for his GMH contention. I hold a 48-215/FJ product program and FX is not mentioned. (Sloper35 (talk) 12:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)) Loffler now offers reference to FX designation see enlarged ed of ^[1]. It is possible that both explanations are true. NormDar (talk) 01:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC) Tried to replace Note 31 with later Loffler (2006) book. Gave up and added a new note. Old one needs to go. NormDar (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Loffler, Don, She's a Beauty (Enlarged Ed) Wakefield, Adelaide, p266

Subsidiary or marque?

I saw a recent change to General Motors where Holden was removed from the list of Divisions in the infobox, and it appears in the list of Subsidiaries instead. This conflicts with other things like the Holden timeline template and General Motors template, where Holden is listed as a brand, or marque, of General Motors, like Chevrolet/Buick/Cadillac/GMC, rather than a subsidiary, like Wuling/Baojun/Ravon. Is there consensus on which one Holden is? --Vossanova ^o< 15:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think it must be one or the other? I expect it has always been both. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, let me rephrase that. Is it only a brand, or is it also a subsidiary as well? --Vossanova ^o< 21:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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FA compliance

This article is not in compliance with FA standards due to the large number of refs to primary sources [28 to Davis, which is a Holden publication] and other non-RS such as 'Unique Cars and Parts' 'MotoringORient' and also the Holden website itself Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Company History

Quote "It became a subsidiary of the United States–based General Motors (GM) in 1931, when the company was renamed General Motors-Holden's Ltd. It was renamed Holden Ltd in 1998 and adopted the name GM Holden Ltd in 2005."

This is not quite correct, the entity's name, up to 1962 was General Motors-Holden's Ltd, at which time it was renamed General Motors-Holden's Pty Ltd, because of a share restructure. Then in 1976 it reverted to General Motors-Holden's Ltd.

This remained until a financial restructure in January 1987 where the umbrella company for dealer franchises etc. was renamed General Motors Holden Automotive, which had two subsidiaries: Holden’s Motor Company (HMC) & Holden’s Engine Company (HEC).

The remained the same until January 1987 this was simplified to Holden Ltd.

In May 2005 it was renamed (again) to GM Holden Ltd TerryMaxwell (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Loffler, Don, She's a Beauty (Enlarged Ed) Wakefield, Adelaide, p266

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