Talk:Tradescantia zebrina

Edibility

I know for sure this is edible because I eat it all the time. Any sources that we can verify this with? --181.209.142.230 (talk) 00:59, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Medicinal use

The medicinal use reference that was added is bad because this reference references back to this wikipedia article (aka circular argument). I replaced this back with a reference needed. (Artiommatvei (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC))

I can find no reference to the substance matali anywhere. Wikipedia relies on authoritative sources. I have therefore removed this sentence altogether. If anybody can find a source they are welcome to replace it. Darorcilmir (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

References

Wandering Jew

This plant is most commonly known in the English language as "wandering Jew", but someone removed that name from the article because they felt it was a slur. Is this allowed? Do we get to bowdlerize plant names in an encyclopedia because they offend us? By the way, I'm half Jewish and the name doesn't offend me. It'd be a different matter if it was called a "wandering kike" or something. Succubus MacAstaroth (talk) 12:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

I strongly support the inclusion of the term in the article for the purpose of explaining what the term means for anyone who comes across it. It is not bigoted to dispassionately and academically include the term in the article, especially not if there is a note about the possible offense it can cause. The reference to the word does not itself propogate hate speech. Whitewashing any mention of words that can cause offensive or that have offensive origins is completely ridiculous, patronizing to those who would be offended since it suggests that they should be protected from even the mere mention of the word, and misleadingly suggestive that the word does not exist. Jamgoodman (talk) 12:11, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. This is a real common name. It has been used in the past, and may still be used for all we know. The Wandering Jew legend is a well-known legend, supported by literature and visual art. Darorcilmir (talk) 12:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Still going on, mostly by IPs. Wandering Jew is still a common name as far as I know, and I fail to see how this is anti-Semitic as claimed. Meters (talk) 05:33, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I added a citation for the name 'wandering jew', and also mentioned 'wandering dude' with a citation, too. I requested some page protection over at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Tradescantia zebrina in the hopes that the offended will stop changing the article. Even if someone thinks the term is anti-semitic, it's still a historical name that is still in use today... broadly. And since Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, it should remain in the article. If anyone else should attempt to remove the common name 'wandering jew' from the article, their edit should be reverted. And if repeated, we should recommend a sanction for the offender(offended). Platonk (talk) 23:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Meters:, @Platonk: On the use of anti-Semitic/anti-semitic, etc. see the 2nd paragraph of the the Usage section of Antisemitism and "A Spelling", the last section of Deborah Lipstadt's What's in a name? An exchange on the meaning, virulence and irrationality of antisemitism <ref>https://www.abc.net.au/religion/the-meaning-and-irrationality-of-antisemitism/10896154,/ref> Mcljlm (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: I see from your edits-and-reverts that you're having difficulty making a message show up here the way you want it to. Here (the link text) is a link to the Hebrew page for "The Wandering Jew (Plant)". You can create this effect by using this code:

[[he:היהודי הנודד (צמח)|the link text]]

I hope this is helpful for what you want to do. I was unable to figure out how to add Hebrew to the languages list on the left column of an article. However, after reading a robo-translation of היהודי הנודד (צמח), I feel it would be a better match for the English article Tradescantia, rather than Tradescantia zebrina. Platonk (talk) 18:47, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Platonk: Thanks. I've now added the Hebrew edition link to Tradescantia but since this article's 2nd sentence ends "its preferred common name is wandering jew" I wonder if the link is appropriate here too. Mcljlm (talk) 17:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Platonk: As you probably gathered I was attempting to add the following as a new section under the heading Languages: "I'd like to add a link to the Hebrew edition {I included the page reference} to the Languages list but I'm unable even to add Hebrew to the Wikidata page {page reference included)". Not only didn't it appear in a new section but despite it appearing correctly in the preview the only part to appear after I'd clicked Publish was from "to the Languages list" onwards and that followed immediately after what I'd written earlier as if it was a continuation. When I entered Languages as a new section name on its own it was accepted but when I added my text again the previous situation appeared again. Can you explain why I was unable to add a new section containing text? Mcljlm (talk) 17:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: No, I do not think that the link to the Hebrew page about three species (Tradescantia) would be an appropriate language link from the English page Tradescantia zebrina because they are not the same topic. I do not know why your earlier edits on this Talk page didn't work, but I could see your efforts from the edit history, and also saw how they would not "appear" correctly. I could not decipher what you were trying to add to the page. I guessed that you were wanting to add a link to the "Languages" list on the column to the left of the article, but I was unable to figure out how to add the link myself. You figured it out, though, because I see the new link. Platonk (talk) 17:56, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Platonk: You wrote that you "also mentioned 'wandering dude' with a citation". As far as I can see your citation does not contain the term 'wandering dude'. I have removed it.

@Mcljlm:What does the use or not of a hyphen or of a capital letter have to do with this discussion? I spelled "anti-Semitic" the way it is spelled in my country's definitive dictionary (the only way it is spelled in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary), and I have no interest in Deborah Lipstadt's personal opinions on the matter. Meters (talk) 18:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Meters: I read a lot of references that day, and must have missed adding a second reference on the subject — I recall reading about that alternative name many times. I tried to help settle y'all petty fight by finding just the right references to satisfy both sides of the dispute, and even requested an IP block on that article (denied). My final tip is that if you don't mention "wandering dude" somehow in the article, your dispute will never end. Use one of the 18,000 google search results that use both terms ("Tradescantia zebrina" "wandering dude") in the target webpage. Washing my hands of it. Platonk (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

You added a completely new name 'wandering dude" to the lead that was not mentioned in the article and had not been mentioned on this talk page. You added a source for it that did not even mention the term. You claimed on the talk page that you had sourced it. I didn't assume bad faith, just carelessness. I simply left you a level one template asking you to source it. If this is your idea of trying to settle our "petty fight" we don't need it. The discussion was not about adding a new name, it was about IPs' repeated attempts to remove "wandering jew". If you want to add yet another name to the lead then start a new thread to propose its addition, and provide reliable sources that actually mention it. Meters (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

@Meters: There was nothing "new" about the term "wandering dude" being added to this article. I had done much more research on this article's edit history including viewing these three diffs [1], [2], and [3]. Each of those edits attempted to add the term "wandering dude" or address the not-exactly-rare trend of moving away from the use of "wandering jew" with regards this plant. And interspersed with attempts to add "wandering dude" were even more attempts to remove the term "wandering jew". All such attempts are related; the same concept/idea is driving both types of edits. That, plus the first 4 comments on this Talk page thread (including your own comment), were the impetus behind me requesting the IP block. My edit attempted to cite the use of both names in the article to stop the edit warring that was going on. Platonk (talk) 23:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

I feel as though the term "wandering dude" sounds so ridiculous (it's like a silly teenager thought it up). Wouldn't it of been a more intelligent change for the name to be changed to wandering jewel? That way the the name stays true to it's form, however the addition of those 2 extra letters would appease the woke crowd. It seems a far better alternative than using the word dude, which is very informal and just sounds ridiculous. JarroNevsbaru (talk) 13:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)