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Non-NTM Franchise Shows
[edit]Considering that this is a list of NTM shows only, Get Gorgeous (India), The Model Agent (Ireland) and Malaysian Dreamgirl (Malaysia) should be removed. As far as I know, the rest of the shows are part of the NTM franchise. However, should the three shows I listed be removed? Sireafi (talk) 06:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
- SUPERMODELME.tv is not part of the franchise either. Sireafi (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Get Gorgeous is a reality made by Channel V in India and Southeast Asia, totally different from ANTM. 113.22.189.205 (talk) 13:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC).
Serbian version?
[edit]Can anyone prove that Top Model by NJ Models (the Serbian version) is part of the franchise? It looked extremely low-budget to be quite frank, although that's not grounds for not being a part of the franchise. Sireafi (talk) 04:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- it is not the serbian version. this show is set in Republika Srpska which is in Bosnia & Herzegovina. Shameless (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Call-out table colors
[edit]We should recommend to use colors in the table below to make all Top Model franchises be in common. Please be unanimous in using colors.
| Color | Call-out description | Franchise(s) |
|---|---|---|
| LimeGreen | The contestant won the competition | All |
| Crimson | The contestant quit the competition | All |
| DarkRed | The contestant was eliminated outside of judging panel | ANTM |
| LightSteelBlue | The contestant won the reward challenge | All |
| RoyalBlue | The contestant won two reward challenges | ANTM, BNTM |
| Purple | The contestant won the reward challenge and was eliminated | All |
| Violet | The contestant was eliminated (including double/multiple elimination/s) | All |
| DeepPink | The contestant was the original eliminee but was saved | |
| MediumVioletRed | The contestant was the original eliminee but was saved, and won the reward challenge | ANTM |
| PaleVioletRed | The contestant was the original eliminee but quit the competition | |
| Yellow | The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week | ANTM |
| Orange | The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week and won the reward challenge | ANTM |
| Olive | The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week and was eliminated | ANTM |
| DarkBlue | The contestant did not participate in the photo shoot | ANTM, CNTM |
| Magenta | The contestant won the reward challenge, but did not participate in the photoshoot and was immune from elimination | HNTM |
| Teal | The contestant did not participate in the photo shoot and was eliminated | ANTM |
| LightPink | The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two | ANTM, AusNTM, BNTM, CNTM |
| Cyan | The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two and won the reward challenge | BNTM |
| DarkGreen | The contestant added into the cast
|
ANTM, BNLNTM |
| Chocolate | The contestant was entered as replacement into the competition, but was eliminated | ANTM |
| LightGreen | The contestant was immune from elimination The contestant was immune from elimination and was invited to be on the judging panel |
ANTM, BNTM |
| DarkViolet | The contestant temporarily withdrew from the competition | AusNTM |
| Pink | The contestant was called but it doesn't represent their position that week | CNTM |
| SteelBlue | The contestant won the reward challenge and was called but it doesn't represent their position that week | CNTM |
| Bisque | The contestant wasn't called but and is still running in the competition | HNTM |
| Burlywood | The contestant won the 'reward challenge but wasn't called but and is still running in the competition | HNTM |
| Coral | The contestant was nominated for elimination this week | Spain |
Conflict colors
[edit]| Color | Call-out description | Franchise(s) |
|---|---|---|
| Gold | The contestant entered the competition, replacing a contestant who quit. | AusNTM |
| Salmon | The contestant was declared as one of the four finalists in the finale | Spain |
| Tan | The contestant was re-entered into the competition | AusNTM, HNTM, Israel |
| SpringGreen | The contestant was immune from elimination and won the reward challenge | AusNTM |
| DeepPink |
Need colors
[edit]| Franchise(s) | Call-out description | Suggestion | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The contestant was immune from elimination | #d0f0c0 | springgreen | ||
| AusNTM | The contestant entered the competition, replacing a contestant who quit. | Gold | ||
| Spain | The contestant was declared as one of the four finalists in the finale | Gold | ||
| Many | The contestant was re-entered into the competition | Tan | Salmon | Gold |
| Netherlands | The contestant was called first and only, but was also elimineted | |||
- Please go to Talk:America's Next Top Model to discuss these colors. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 02:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Top Model around the world new table?
[edit]Is that design better than the old one? Redpower94 (talk) 16:01, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I think we need a new table and this is a good one, easier to know which series is currently on air Joaq0 (talk) 12:29, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
Ref
[edit]- ^ "Beauty Under The Burqa: Afghanistan's Next Top Model".
- ^ Canada's Next Top Model - Online Application, CTV.com. Retrieved on November 13, 2008.
- ^ "World Screen - Home".
- ^ http://www.psmodels.com.sv/supermodel.html
Proposal to unify the colors
[edit]Color Call-out description Franchise(s) LimeGreen The contestant won the competition All Crimson The contestant quit the competition All DarkRed The contestant was eliminated outside of judging panel ANTM LightSteelBlue The contestant won the reward challenge All RoyalBlue The contestant won two reward challenges ANTM, BNTM, Greece Blue The contestant won four reward challenges Greece Purple The contestant won the reward challenge and was eliminated All Violet The contestant was eliminated (including double/multiple elimination/s and finalists) All DeepPink The contestant was the original eliminee but was saved BNTM MediumVioletRed The contestant was the original eliminee but was saved, and won thereward challenge ANTM PaleVioletRed The contestant was the original eliminee but quit the competition Yellow The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week
The contestant was voted by the audience as the fan favouriteANTM, AusNTM Orange The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week and won the reward challenge ANTM Olive The contestant was CoverGirl of the Week and was eliminated ANTM DarkBlue The contestant did not participate in the photo shoot ANTM, CNTM Magenta The contestant won the reward challenge, but did not participate in the photoshoot HNTM Teal The contestant did not participate in the photo shoot and was eliminated ANTM LightPink The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two ANTM, AusNTM, BNTM, CNTM Cyan The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two and won the reward challenge BNTM DarkGreen The contestant added into the cast
- Scouted at a separate audition/Due to a number opening
ANTM, BNLNTM Chocolate The contestant was entered as a replacement for another contestant who quit and was eliminated ANTM Gold The contestant entered the competition/entered as a replacement for another contestant who quit AusNTM, GNTM Tan The contestant was re-entered into the competition AusNTM, GNTM, HNTM, Israel LightGreen The contestant was immune from elimination
The contestant was immune from elimination and was invited to be on the judging panelANTM, BNTM SpringGreen The contestant was immune from elimination and won the reward challenge AusNTM DarkViolet The contestant temporarily withdrew from the competition AusNTM Pink The contestant was called but it doesn't represent their position that week CNTM SteelBlue The contestant won the reward challenge and was called but it doesn't represent their position that week CNTM Coral The contestant was nominated for elimination this week Spain
Please don't use underlines or bolding in the callout tables. See MOS:BOLD and MOS:BADEMPHASIS.-gadfium 00:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Versions
[edit]Are Super Model Centroamérica and Supermodel (Swiss modelling show) sure parts of ANTM? hope for answers — Preceding unsigned comment added by O omorfos (talk • contribs) 22:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Requested move
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Move, the more concise title already redirects here. Cúchullain t/c 19:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Top Model series → Top Model – As that title already redirects here. Unreal7 (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose Top Model series is more descriptive of the contents of the article. Top Model is quite ambiguous. I see no reason to tie-up the spot (address) Top Model with the series article, even if there is currently no competition for the spot. Articles linked to Top Model series should stay that way. --Bejnar (talk) 21:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Not ambiguous. This is the only thing called "top model". Unreal7 (talk) 22:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose, too many TV articles on en.wp are titled with the assumption that everyone watches TV, without "series" I could guess it was a TV series, but having "series" makes it a lot easier, "Top Model TV series" or "Top Model franchise" would be even better since, if we go by print sources, this is a category:Media franchises in TV format not a TV series. There is also apparently an unrelated and older Top Model (magazine) that gets 28x GB hits, but that's by the by. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:45, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- If that was the case then Got Talent, Popstars and The Office would all have "series" at the end of their title. Unreal7 (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Not as descriptive, echo the comments of Bejnar. Theopolisme 23:48, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Support The proposed title is concise, unambiguous, and consistent with usage in reliable sources, perfect per WP:AT. It's hard to read IIO's argument as anything but a call for unnecessary disambiguation or forced qualifiers for TV series. --BDD (talk) 19:21, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Revised color table update, 2015
[edit]| Color | Description | Franchise(s) |
|---|---|---|
| Lime green | The contestant won the competition | All |
| Tomato | The contestant was eliminated | All |
| Light green | The contestant won photo of the week | Denmark & Peru |
| Olive | The contestant won photo of the week and was eliminated | Denmark |
| Dark red | The contestant was eliminated outside of judging panel | All |
| Brown | The contestant was disqualified | All |
| Crimson | The contestant quit the competition | All |
| Light pink | The contestant was originally eliminated, but was saved | All |
| Light blue | The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two/three/etc | All |
| Gold | The contestant was immune from elimination | All |
| — | Not available tag used to denote empty slots for episodes with no call-out where an elimination took place. Examples of its use here, here and here. |
All |
2601:241:0:EA46:DA5:5E25:D2B4:16D8 (talk) 01:36, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Example | ||||||||
| 2 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | Example | Example | |||||||||
| 3 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | Example | Example | Example | ||||||||
| 4 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | Example | Example | |||||||||
| 5 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | Example | ||||||||||
| 6 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | |||||||||||
| 7 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | |||||||||||
| 8 | Example | Example | — | Example | Example | |||||||||||
| 9 | Example | Example | Example | |||||||||||||
| 10 | Example | Example | ||||||||||||||
| 11 | Example | |||||||||||||||
| 12 | Example | |||||||||||||||
- The contestant quit the competition
- The contestant won photo of the week
- The contestant was eliminated
- The contestant was disqualified
- The contestant was immune from elimination
- The contestant was originally eliminated, but was saved
- The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom three
- The contestant was eliminated outside of judging panel
- The contestant won photo of the week and was eliminated
- The contestant won the competition
- As a side note, I'd like to point out that 'photo of the week' is a problematic color, because it can merge with any other, causing users to come up with countless different and unnecessary combinations.
Revised color table update, 2018
[edit]| Color | Description | Franchise(s) |
|---|---|---|
| Lime green | The contestant won the competition | All |
| Tomato | The contestant was eliminated | All |
| Light green | The contestant won photo of the week | Denmark & Peru |
| Olive | The contestant won photo of the week and was eliminated | Denmark |
| Dark red | The contestant was eliminated outside of judging panel | All |
| Black | The contestant was disqualified | All |
| Crimson | The contestant quit the competition | All |
| Light pink | The contestant was originally eliminated, but was saved | All |
| Light blue | The contestant was part of a non-elimination bottom two/three/etc | All |
| Gold | The contestant was immune from elimination | All |
| — | Not available tag used to denote empty slots for episodes with no call-out where an elimination took place. Examples of its use here, here and here. |
All |
J4lambert (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Flags
[edit]In this table, some editors add flags for winners of nationality or heritage foreign to the countries of the competitions they won. However, according to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, not all of these are appropriate for Wikipedia articles.
There are a number of guidelines in the Wikipedia Manual of Style that talk about flags, such as WP:MOSFLAG and WP:WORDPRECEDENCE. As it says in the latter of these, Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality
. So these flags are appropriate for use for winners of competitions such as Africa's Next Top Model, where contestants represent their countries. For competitions in which contestants do not represent their countries—it's simply where they came from, or they are descended from that country—it is not appropriate to use the flags. Linguist111 (talk) 14:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, in no way does an individual participating in a reality show pass the criteria
where the subject actually represents that country, government, or nationality
, this would only apply to officially sanctioned representation, so use of flags would fail MOS:FLAG even in the case mentioned above. There are many other reasons at the guideline not to use flags in these cases. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)- You don't appear to be familiar with Asia's Next Top Model. As I said before, it is not a televison show per se. It is a real modelling competition where contestants represent their countries. I don't see how, in these articles, the use of these flags fails MOS:FLAG. Linguist Moi? Moi. 19:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- They're not representing their countries in any official capacity. They're representing themselves. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- In tennis championships, contestants don't compete in teams based on their countries, they compete individually. Essentially they represent themselves. And still flags are used there. Nothing gained, information lost through removal of flags here. Linguist Moi? Moi. 11:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- We're not discussing whether it is appropriate for tennis articles to use flags, we're discussing whether it's appropriate to use them for contestants in a TV reality show. There's a massive difference between the two. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- In tennis, a player is registered with a national federation, itself a member of the International Tennis Federation, which is what the flags represent, even though they play individually. This tennis nationality determines which country they represent in international competition, such as the Davis Cup and Fed Cup. It's not the same as this show at all. oknazevad (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
- We're not discussing whether it is appropriate for tennis articles to use flags, we're discussing whether it's appropriate to use them for contestants in a TV reality show. There's a massive difference between the two. --Rob Sinden (talk) 12:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- In tennis championships, contestants don't compete in teams based on their countries, they compete individually. Essentially they represent themselves. And still flags are used there. Nothing gained, information lost through removal of flags here. Linguist Moi? Moi. 11:39, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- They're not representing their countries in any official capacity. They're representing themselves. --Rob Sinden (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- You don't appear to be familiar with Asia's Next Top Model. As I said before, it is not a televison show per se. It is a real modelling competition where contestants represent their countries. I don't see how, in these articles, the use of these flags fails MOS:FLAG. Linguist Moi? Moi. 19:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
List of international versions
[edit]In the first episode of cycle 9 of Australia's Next Top Model, Tyra Banks, paying tribute to Charlotte Dawson, said, "...we've had 36 international versions made all around the world...". The list of international versions contains more than 36. I'm not completely sure which ones are and which ones are not licensed Top Model versions.
These are confirmed to be licensed:
- Africa's Next Top Model
- Asia's Next Top Model
- Australia's Next Top Model
- Austria's Next Topmodel
- Benelux' Next Top Model
- Brazil's Next Top Model
- Britain's Next Top Model
- Canada's Next Top Model
- China's Next Top Model
- Colombia's Next Top Model
- Hrvatski Top Model (Croatia)
- Danmarks Næste Topmodel (Denmark)
- Eesti tippmodell (Estonia)
- Suomen huippumalli haussa (Finland)
- Top Model (France)
- Germany's Next Topmodel
- Next Top Model (Greece)
- Holland's Next Top Model
- Italia's Next Top Model (Italy)
- Mexico's Next Top Model
- Mongolia's Next Top Model
- Top Model Norge (Norway)
- New Zealand's Next Top Model
- Peru's Next Top Model
- Philippines' Next Top Model
- Top Model (Poland)
- Top Model po-russki (Russia)
- Top Model (Scandinavia)
- Thailand's Next Top Model
- Top Model Türkiye (Turkey)
- Vietnam's Next Top Model
These I think are probably licensed, or could well be, but I'm not 100% certain they are, or haven't checked:
- Topmodel (Belgium)
- Cambodia's Next Top Model
- Caribbean's Next Top Model
- Topmodell (Hungary)
- India's Next Top Model
- Next Top Model (Romania)
- Srpski Top Model (Serbia)
- Slovenski Top Model (Slovenia)
- Top Model Sverige (Sweden)
These ones I'm not sure about, and may not be licensed:
- HaDugmaniot (Israel)
- Ty - supermodel (Russia)
- Hľadá sa Supermodelka (Slovakia)
- Supermodel (Switzerland)
- Supermodel po-ukrainsky (Ukraine)
Linguist Moi? Moi. 18:47, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
- These are licensed:
- Caribbean's Next Top Model
- Cambodia's Next Top Model
- India's Next Top Model
- Ty - supermodel (Russia)
- Next Top Model (Romania)
- Top Model Sverige (Sweden)
- Credits and rights after the show ends confirm this. Always something along the lines of "based on America's Next Top Model, produced in the United States by 10x10 entertainment distributed by CBS studios international." and a CBS logo that's universal to a lot (but not all) versions. Low budget/deviation from normal format doesn't immediately equal knock-off. The rest may be similar to top model, and not licensed. With the early versions and low-brows (concentrating mainly in Eastern Europe) it's almost impossible to tell since they aired so long ago and there's hardly any references for those. With the ones I mentioned, there's 37 when combined with your first list. I wouldn't count Mongolia among the 36, because A) it hasn't been produced, just proposed & B) It was proposed long after the airing of cycle 9 Trafalk09 (talk) 20:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Trafalk09: Thank you. I have found no reliable sources that link ANTM with Supermodel (Switzerland) or Supermodel po-ukrainsky (Ukraine), so I think we can safely strike them. So that leaves us with the following:
- Credits and rights after the show ends confirm this. Always something along the lines of "based on America's Next Top Model, produced in the United States by 10x10 entertainment distributed by CBS studios international." and a CBS logo that's universal to a lot (but not all) versions. Low budget/deviation from normal format doesn't immediately equal knock-off. The rest may be similar to top model, and not licensed. With the early versions and low-brows (concentrating mainly in Eastern Europe) it's almost impossible to tell since they aired so long ago and there's hardly any references for those. With the ones I mentioned, there's 37 when combined with your first list. I wouldn't count Mongolia among the 36, because A) it hasn't been produced, just proposed & B) It was proposed long after the airing of cycle 9 Trafalk09 (talk) 20:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
- Pending:
- Topmodel (Belgium)
- Topmodell (Hungary)
- Srpski Top Model (Serbia)
- Slovenski Top Model (Slovenia)
- HaDugmaniot (Israel)
- Hľadá sa Supermodelka (Slovakia)
- Not licensed:
- Supermodel (Switzerland)
- Supermodel po-ukrainsky (Ukraine)
- Please add "Adria's Top Model by Angel.Tatjana" at "Serbia" [1]. It's a licensed version and it's beeing broadcast on RTV Pink, in Serbia, Bosnia and Montenegro. The contestants are also from the ex YU region. The host is Tatjana Bašević, an former Miss Svitzerland contestant. --217.248.186.132 (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
- Serbia looks like it might be the real deal going purely off of production value/format. Trafalk09 (talk) 18:05, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
- This is not the season, I'm talking about. I'm talking about this show, from Serbia Adria Top Model. --217.248.185.155 (talk) 20:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Exclusion of names in top model tables
[edit]@Linguist111: I was wondering if it is really necessary to remove the names of contestants who were not present for judging for certain circumstances? There was some discussion a couple of years back that certain contestants names were not actually "called" and thus needed to be removed. Because their inclusion could be classified as original research I didn't wish to get into an argument with the user then, but always believed that removing the names under a technicality was splitting hairs, for lack of a better term.
It is the reason why I've been renaming the tables under the more appropriate label of "results" which reflects an overall summary of each cycle, as well as each contestants final placements and outcomes in the competition. Recently, several of the names have been removed, including those from the newly renamed result tables. On a personal level, I feel like the change is confusing, whereas the tables as they were before were not overly complicated. Trafalk09 (talk) 22:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
If you disagree with deleting the person who quit, got disqualified, or got eliminated outside of the judging panel, then why when someone adds it back, are you deleting it. You're literally just contradicting yourself right now. It makes no sense to just all of a sudden forget about the people who weren't called in panel and just delete them from he table. It doesn't look good with no one there when there should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B09A:4C90:4DF4:7A06:6F4B:442 (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
- I think you've got your usernames confused, first and foremost. I've not reverted anyone who has added names back onto tables. I agree that the empty slots are very off-putting and unnecessarily confusing. The reasoning of "not actually being called" is a rather weak argument in my opinion. Trafalk09 (talk) 03:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2017
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There
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Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2017
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Maureen Wroblewitz (winner of Asia's Next Top Model Cycle 5) is the shortest winner of "Top Model" with a height of 1.68cm (5'6).
Not done: This request belongs at Asia's Next Top Model, which is not currently protected. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2017
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2A01:C23:6402:1A00:3CC7:8E52:A1B4:57C9 (talk) 22:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
|- | Austria's Next Top Model | 9 | data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, #2C2C2C); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | TBA | data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, #2C2C2C); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | TBA | data-sort-value="" style="background: var(--background-color-interactive, #ececec); color: var(--color-base, #2C2C2C); vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-na" | TBA | Casting
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Malta
[edit]what happened to Malta's Next Top Model not on International Top Model series? Elliott Damned (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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