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This article was nominated for deletion on 23 March 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Own article

This is ridiculous. He's the only one with his own article. Limerence13 (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to look around since Katie Stevens, Siobhan Magnus and Aaron Kelly also have articles and the rest will have them shortly, it is just that no one has gotten around to them yet. Aspects (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This argument is moot due to the additions of the other contestants of the 9th season of American Idol. Bwsmith84 (talk) 05:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

Tim Urban (musician) → Tim Urban — There is no need for disambiguation page since he is the only Tim Urban that has an article. The article was moved to Tim Urban (musician) without discussion that I then reverted per WP:RM and was in the process of starting a discussion on here when the article was moved here without discussion. Aspects (talk) 23:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation pages are only needed if there are two or more articles with the same name where there is not a primary topic (see WP:DAB.) Since there is only one article, a disambiguation page is clearly not needed. This article could easily have a hatnote of {{About|the American Idol finalist|The Apprentice contestant|The Apprentince (U.S. season 6)}} The fact that there was not even a redirect The Apprentice contestant until today, three years after the show first aired, shows that the disambiguation is not needed. Aspects (talk) 00:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Only article. If an article is created in the future then it can be reconsidered. Tassedethe (talk) 00:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I have been enlightened.--Banananana88 (talk) 00:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Object The requested move will only have to be fixed as there is a contestant from the U.S. Version of The Apprentice, and there is another musician named Tim Urban who is gaining popularity. The article needs to be retained and not merged due to these conflicts; additional clarification will just be needed later. Bwsmith84 (talk) 05:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We do not disambiguated articles based on future possible articles. Your argument actually supports keeping it where it is at. The Apprentice contestant has not had an article in the three years since he appeard on the show and is unlikely to ever have an article. A future musician pay never gain the notability necessary to get an article. If someone in the future named Tim Urban gets an article we can then move this Tim Urban to a disambiguated title, until that time it should be located at "Tim Urban". Aspects (talk) 12:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

HI, I somehow overlooked this and moved the page already - the original mover is btw banned. Retroactive support. Hekerui (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for the Worst

Since there seems to me somewheat of an edit war, I am going to start a discussion here. VotefortheWorst is not a reliable source to be used to source something. If a reliable source can be found then that should be used. Also, unlike what another editor stated, it is not a blog, it is a member forum where they decide who is the "worst" not even being the worst singer. Until there is a consensus saying the information should belong in the article or a reliable source can be found, I am going to remove the information. Aspects (talk) 01:49, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, Vote for the Worst is a notable website, and Urban is mentioned on its article. VftW can be used to source information about itself; the "endorsed singer" of the website would be such a thing. It is probably worth a sentence to mention that he's been a longstanding pick of VftW; if not that, a backlink to VftW's article should be included in the See also section. —C.Fred (talk) 02:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The information is trivial and unless reliably sourced, the information is not necessary to have in the article. There is also no verifiable information available saying that VftW has kept him in the compeition. For example, Jennifer Hudson, the first VftW pick, has no mention of this in her article and Scott Savol, what they consider one of their biggest victories, has no mention of this in his article. Aspects (talk) 02:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is this how consensus usually develops? You reply once and assume you're right? You probably are on the money that there is no reliable info to suggest VFTW is keeping him in the competition, but he is their longest-running contender (per AOL News), which is notable. He's even outlasted Sanjaya, and you better believe VFTW is mentioned in his article! :D SchutteGod (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...Again, is AOL News a reliable enough a source? What about the Vancouver Sun? Because if I don't hear anything, the item goes back in. VFTW is a notable Idol-related blog, and Urban's status as their longest-running pick is a notable addition to an Idol-related entry, and there's no reason not to include it. --SchutteGod (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I meant to add the information back into the article the last time I made an edit to the article, but I must have forgotten. I am going to add it now using both sources. The sentence seems kind of akward and clumsy to me, so some copyediting oversight would be very much appreciated. Aspects (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good deal; glad you like those sources. Fixed up the wording a bit...still a bit awkward, but we'll see how it goes. --SchutteGod (talk) 02:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

This article should be semi-protected. There has been notable vandalisms, just look at the history of the article.

The other Tim Urbans are the same guy

The Apprentice contestant and the blogger are the same guy. I don't know what the syntax is, but it should say something like "For The Apprentice contestant and blogger, see The Apprentice (U.S. season 6) and Wait But Why"

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