Talk:The Transhumanist Wager

Proposal to merge Three Laws of Transhumanism with The Transhumanist Wager

I don't think the Three Laws of Transhumanism page should be merged with The Transhumanist Wager page. The novel is a fictional book, but the The Three Laws of Transhumanism have become something more widespread and discussed, often without mention of the book. The laws have been often criticized too, and someone could add that to the page. Additionally, the philosophy TEF, Telological Egocentric Functionalism (part of the Three Laws of Transhumanism page), could easily have information added to it. A number of schools and colleges now teach with the novel, and academic papers have been written about TEF. Again, criticism of TEF could be added too, and there's plenty of it. SteveMiller4 3/10/15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveMiller4 (talk • contribs) 19:37, 10 March 2015‎

My rationale is that TLT/TEF is basically an exact duplicate of what is already present in article for Wager (see: Wikipedia:Content forking). Since it is a matter presented in the book, it should go here, with all the criticisms, academia etc included in its own section. For instance, (picking a completely random book here) The Catcher in the Rye has details about the minutia and controversy of the text, popular culture, association with serial killers etc; these are encapsulated within the parent. Catcher does have a break-out article for it in pop-culture, but this is because that would simply be too large for the main article and is standard practice to pop those off when they begin to dominate a parent article. Then there are the works of Philip K. Dick whose influence could be discussed ad infinitum. If TLT/TEF is the "God is Dead" to Transhumanist Wager's Thus Spoke Zarathustra, then it would warrant its own article but I do not see it as being that significant. Could you provide sources that show university teach to this text? (Also: when you post to a talk page, sign your posts with four tildes like this: ~~~~) Namaste. -- dsprc ^[talk] 16:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the "Philosophy" section is redundant; seems like that section (or much of it) should be merged. I don't agree that the whole article should be merged. -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The only place reliable sources even mention the claimed "Three Laws" is concerning the book. If they actually become a subject of discussion in sources that pass WP:RS, that would be a different matter. So I've redirected the laws page here, it can become a separate article when there's RSes to hold it up - David Gerard (talk) 00:58, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

This page reads like a promo for the book

It seems to me like the person who posted it may be someone who is close to zoltan or one of zoltan's sock puppets — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.77.95 (talk) 05:17, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Reference to Stapledon's Odd John

Odd John is an early (around 1930) novel of sci-fi pioneer William Olaf Stapledon. Odd John is freak of nature with superhuman abilities. His morals are beyond the understanding of ordinary people. Like Jethro Knight, he seeks fellows in mind and finally founds a South Sea colony with them. After a military confrontation between the world community and the colony, the colonist opt to destroy themselves. The idea of a community of superhumans (or at least individuals devoting their energies to the idea) and a deep antagonism with the rest of mankind as well as the role of a peculiar morality of power are striking similarities. A reference to Odd John might well be added somewhere. Discussion?

--Rhetos (talk) 08:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)