Talk:The Tower (tarot card)

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On 11 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to The Tower (tarot card). The result of the discussion was moved to "tarot" ( 'small t' ).

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Perhaps there should be a spoiler warning for the trivia. Dumbledore's death is very important to the story and placing this very crucial information about the plot without spoiler warning is quite bad.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.73.88.209 (talk) 06:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "a major character". HTH, HAND. --Spudtater 13:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think that's enough? For a person reading that chapter, it's still kind of revealing, cause there's a limited number of people on the tower, they could guess who it is. Well, I can't think of a better way to do it. But if you don't mind, I'll remove the link, since it leads directly to the character. If someone really wants to know who died, there are plenty of other sources. --Mithcoriel 18:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the spoiler is both revealing and actually unnecessary, as the sentence that follows it ("Events in this chapter force Harry to abandon...") is sufficient for explaining the connection between the chapter and the Tarot card (with the additional explanation that the chapter also takes place in a tower). 70.170.51.235 10:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, why was the spoiler added again? And not only the link, the name too! I'm removing it again. If someone disagrees, don't just edit it, talk here. --Mithcoriel (talk) 08:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because Wikipedia permits spoilers. I disagree with the policy, but Wikipedia takes the stance that spoiler warnings are a form of censorship, apparently. I think if it's not in a plot summary about the particular work/novel in question, however, it can be removed by anyone who thinks it's a problem.Levalley (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Wikia external link

The Wikia external link was removed, with Point 9 of this guideline as the basis for this action. That wiki has had only 2 edits in the past 30 days, and therefore doesn't merit inclusion in Wikipedia. --JossBuckle Swami 22:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unverifiable and unbalanced content

The article is just personal opinions from an occult enthusiast about the nature and meaning of a particular tarot card. No peer reviewed books or journal articles are cited. No references or footnotes are given. When a new statement is added, the source needs to be cited, and the source needs to be verifiable, and reliable. Waite is not an unbiased, factual source on the history or evolution of tarot cards. The work can be cited properly, however: "Waite's opinion in his book The Pictorial Key to the Tarot ... etc"

The card in question has a history of over 500 years in European card games in which it is used as trump card (see Tarocchi). The article is unbalanced in that it only features the recent uses of the card for divination. This makes the article biased due to its recentism. Since the article ignores use of the card for game play in Europe and other parts of the world, it offers an anglo-american perspective that raises NPOV issues. There are academic sources and sources from international organizations discussing the history and evolution of the "Tower" card (known variously in Tarot history as The Fire, The Lightening, The Thunderbolt, The House of the Devil (or the Damned) as well as its use in games. These need to be utilized. - Parsa 07:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

9/11 in The Tower

I was just wondering if it is possible to cite the events of September 11th, 2001 as an event that parallels and matches The Tower struck by lightning? I don't think it would require too many sources to justify this addition since if you were to compare The Tower card with the Twin Towers with smoke then it would make much sense?

--99.230.153.253 (talk) 22:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)User:Xinyu[reply]

On the one hand, I agree that the Tower, also known as the Tower Shattered, can be interpreted as the World Trade Center. However, unless a published source provides that comparison, a statement to that effect would be original research. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting

Whatever else may be wrong with this article, if anything, I believe it reads smoothly now. Contact me on my talk page if more help is wanted copyediting.Levalley (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing Tag

A POV tag was inserted on this page in April 2013. However, the neutrality concerns were not addressed here. I have removed the tag. If the tagger will explain the concerns, I will leave the tag until it is discussed. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Visconti-Sforza

The article claims the Visconti-Sforza does not contain a tower card, and that's true because the card is missing (along with The Devil card). The way the article is written sounds like the card wasn't intended to be in that deck, but it was. 139.138.69.196 (talk) 02:52, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:The Fool (Tarot card) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 13:32, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]