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https://www.proquest.com/docview/525907899/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/detroit-free-press/131566602/

"smoky allure"

Morse, Steve (September 14, 1997). "With a New CD, Carey Goes a Little Deeper". The Boston Globe. pp. F3, F5. Archived from the original on November 21, 2022 – via Newspapers.com.

a "transforming song of love" "about making love in the rain on a city rooftop"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-buffalo-news/113410987/

"finds Carey in another hip-hop groove, a number so smooth it almost floats out of the speakers"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/hartford-courant/146040639/

"when a bit of beat emerges [like on the roof] it's a nice payoff"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/waco-tribune-herald/146041213/

"tells of a woman haunted by a past lover. the background vocals, like her memories, crash into the forefront, adamantly rolling over Carey's lead melody. her voice bobs up and down, trying to stay on top of the waves but often plunging below."

Wener, Ben (September 12, 1997). "Carey Blossoms in Butterfly". Show. The Orange County Register. p. 52. Archived from the original on November 8, 2023. Retrieved November 14, 2023 – via NewspaperArchive.

"flashback, as we travel through highly cinematic moments of love's first bloom" [on 'the roof']

Lasowski, Robert (October 1, 1997). "Fans May Not Want to Net Carey's Weak Butterfly". The Florida Times-Union. p. D1.

"Also good on the album is The Roof, a mix of classic and new Mariah that sounds a bit like a song you'd expect Janet Jackson to croon."

https://www.newspapers.com/image/537634340/

"a breathy bit of nothing"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-indianapolis-star/146041484/

"may be carey's best track, her voice floating in and around the dreamy, midtempo arrangement"

Pareles, Jon (September 21, 1997). "A New Gentleness from a Pop Diva". The New York Times. Archived from the original on November 21, 2022.

imitates janet jackson

https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A137C4A333B6FC488%40GB3NEWS-17A81CC8841C00FA%402450706-17A81AD5E16FC649%4083-17A81AD5E16FC649?clipid=gzhopayccumepawjehmoutwcqhrrwrxb_ip-10-166-46-73_1715731951309

"uses trademark whispers"

Harrington, Richard (September 14, 1997). "Divorce and the Divas". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on November 24, 2022.

"There's one other hip-hop track, "The Roof," produced by Poke and Tone of Track Masters (Nas, Mary J. Blige). An "Up on the Roof" for the '90s, it's deeper on mood than melody, and Carey's vocals glide over the rhythms as she describes an endless ache to "relive the splendor of you and I/ on the rooftop that rainy night.""

https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A171B066E1D2FC666%40GB3NEWS-162B27A6C438B5A2%402450708-162ABC3D8A9E7852%4021-162ABC3D8A9E7852?clipid=berqrnjoeazwuaayboukisocsdshaaxd_ip-10-166-46-82_1715732804194

"carey showboats more in three minutes than deion sanders does in a season"

https://ew.com/article/1997/09/19/butterfly-2/

"Showing some admirable restraint, she nestles herself into the downy-soft beats"

https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A13D0955A0C88E671%40GB3NEWS-16DC1D0B372210C3%402450716-16DA88A6B4596DF6%4023-16DA88A6B4596DF6?clipid=gcrmxxtwsnzrtvpvkxstryqjgscbhnnh_ip-10-166-46-120_1715734936821

"sexually implicit"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-knoxville-news-sentinel/131572675/

"decent stalking rhythm"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-springfield-news-leader/146041971/

"easygoing funk"

https://observer.com/1997/09/she-is-mariah-hear-her-soar-carey-finally-sprouts-wings/

"Ms. Carey stays in a moist mood throughout, reflecting on trysts past in “The Roof” ( Remember, we did it on the roof? )"

https://www.genealogybank.com/doc/newspapers/image/v2%3A142AF9649C1D5F69%40GB3NEWS-1759F710701A0E46%402450725-1759B0B79C12A27E%4058?clipid=elbvdsgoznjfrwezszkmgsgjdasuduvw_ip-10-166-46-179_1715742422564 :"mellow flow and shook ones beat. mariah adds a little attitude to her soprano voice as she travels back in time in her mind while recounting a special night on the roof" https://web.archive.org/web/20000310023420/http://www.nme.com/reviews/reviews/19980101000625reviews.html

"forgetting all about her marriage and getting frisky with a stranger on, er, 'The Roof' ("I couldn't bear to let you go yet/So I threw caution to the wind")."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun/146042139/

"breakbeat-laced, rap-hardened soul number"

https://www.proquest.com/docview/408739343/

"percolating"

https://www.proquest.com/docview/232197041/

"At least more often than not, she doesn't go for those dog notes just because she can, preferring to explore ethereal murmurs and scatty improvs on bedside numbers like "Babydoll" and "The Roof," which evoke the best of Minnie Riperton and Deniece Williams"

https://www.proquest.com/docview/1440565267/

"groove-oriented dance beat"

Considine, J. D. (October 12, 1997). "Catching Her Breath". The Baltimore Sun. Archived from the original on August 3, 2024.

"its hip-hop content is clearly a point of pride with the singer. Take the way she talks about "The Roof," a dreamy number built around a sample from a little-known Mobb Deep rap, "Shook Ones." `The Roof' is my favorite song on this record," says Carey. "I've been wanting to {use that sample} for a really long time. Just having the sample of when he's saying, `I got you stuck off the realness' -- two years ago, people would have had a heart attack if I said I wanted to leave that voice on {the record}.""

https://www.proquest.com/docview/1506038454/

mobb deep remix

https://www.proquest.com/docview/2092379531/

cancelled uk release

https://www.proquest.com/docview/279196061/

music video

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"icy-cool"

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/dec/03/mariah-careys-30-greatest-singles-ranked

"If you only ever buy one gangsta-rap assisted song about copping off with a legendary baseball player during a rainstorm, The Roof (Back in Time) should probably be it. Inviting Mobb Deep to guest on a track that samples their classic Shook Ones Part II was a masterstroke, lending some grit to the beguiling romantic atmospherics"

https://www.bet.com/photo-gallery/xo3w9v/mariah-carey-singles-that-deserved-to-be-no-1-but-didn-t-get-there/o28ufd

https://www.billboard.com/media/lists/mariah-carey-greatest-songs-top-100-9460564/

"The Roof” was already one of Mariah’s most alluring, mysterious and entrancing singles even before she revealed its origins to be in a scandalous moment with a baseball Hall of Famer. Repurposing the beat from Mobb Deep’s East Coast hip-hop standard-bearer “Shook Ones Part II,” the song is a flashback to a rainy, one-night rooftop dalliance that feels hazy and yearning and blushing, like all the best short-lived close encounters. And of course, Mariah invited Prodigy and Havoc themselves to appear on the song’s remix, officially leaving listeners stuck off the realness. Mariah, Mobb Deep and Jeter: How much more ‘90s New York can you get?"

https://www.vibe.com/features/editorial/mariah-carey-butterfly-ranked-tracklist-538478/

"I got you stuck off the realness,” Prodigy’s sampled vocals warn at the beginning of “The Roof,” a gritty offering on Mariah Carey’s Butterfly album that helped break new ground for the singer. Produced by Trackmasters, the track, which also includes a sample of “Rock Box” by Run-D.M.C., is steeped in the glossy sound of mid-’90s R&B and served as a departure from her more pop-oriented stylings. Despite not charting in the U.S., “The Roof” saw success abroad, gained traction in the United Kingdom, as well as the Netherlands, and helped introduce the new incarnation of Mariah Carey to fans, internationally."

https://www.billboard.com/lists/mariah-carey-butterfly-album-songs-ranked/my-all/

"Look at Carey’s chart history and “The Roof” is barely even a minor footnote. Its highest peak was in the Netherlands (No. 63) and its lack of a physical release means it didn’t go anywhere near the Hot 100. Nevertheless, it’s since been reevaluated as a lost classic. Also inspired by her dalliances with Jeter, this sleek, seductive recollection silenced critics who argued Carey was incapable of reining it in. In fact, her vocals are essentially reduced to a sensual whisper over an inspired sample of another hidden gem, Mobb Deep’s “Shook Ones (Part II),” paving the way for all the urban-pop crossovers that followed in its wake."

https://www.essence.com/celebrity/mariah-carey-deep-cuts-album/

"Sampling Mobb Deep’s “Shook Ones” proves that Mimi is a real G. “The Roof” showcases the singer’s wicked imagination. Case in point: “And then you casually walked in the room/And I was twisted in the web of my desire for you.”"

https://www.gaytimes.com/culture/dahlings-we-ranked-mariah-careys-14-best-songs-ever/

"The Roof is a slow and sultry R&B tune, which at the time showed a completely different side to the elusive chanteuse and was pivotal for her musical transition."

https://www.vulture.com/2014/05/these-are-mariah-careys-25-best-singles.html

This is slinky Mariah at her best. Her breathy vocals hit notes barely recognizable as she slips and slides over a minimal Mobb Deep beat."

https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/24557/1/mariah-carey-s-greatest-hip-hop-collabs

"This sultry, R&B slow jam stuck to 1998 like condensation on a car window – with a remix that sampled Mobb Deep's "Shook Ones Part II". And it’s still just as brilliant nearly two decades later. Needless to say, there aren’t many lyrics quite as OTT as “And then you casually walked in the room / And I was twisted in the web of my desire for you”, but who wants their cake without a bit of full-fat cream?"

https://www.complex.com/music/a/lauren-nostro/a-history-of-mariah-careys-collaborations-with-rappers

https://www.slantmagazine.com/music/mariah-carey-butterfly/

Little more than yearning, kissing, and remembering happens during the course of “The Roof,” a rough-enough R&B revision of Mobb Deep’s “The Shook Ones.” But lyrically, Mariah the writer is vivid, sometimes shockingly clever (rhyming “liberated” with “Moet” is a stroke of genius)"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/09/18/twenty-years-ago-butterfly-changed-mariah-careys-career-it-also-helped-change-pop-music/

Working with hardcore rap duo Mobb Deep in 1997 wasn’t exactly a pop move either. The group appeared on the remix for “Butterfly’s” third single “The Roof,” which sampled the group’s 1995 song “Shook Ones (Part II).”"

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/mariah-carey-music-video-evolution-8480243/

https://www.vibe.com/features/editorial/mariah-carey-hip-hop-collaborations-537701/

https://www.slantmagazine.com/music/mariah-carey-charmbracelet/

"“Lullaby,” a sonic and thematic sequel to 1997’s “The Roof” (“It actually almost feels like déjà vu/Of that night on the roof/We kissed under the sky amid city lights”). But while “The Roof” was sexy in its insinuations, “Lullaby” goes one step further."

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/mariah-carey-most-underappreciated-songs-7717293/

This song complemented her personal story so powerfully during the Butterfly era that it remains one of her greatest achievements in conveying vulnerability in love."

https://www.vulture.com/article/mariah-carey-rarities-profile.html

The knowledge that this stuff is “already out there” made it easier for Carey to write the memoir. It removed the burden of dropping bombshells (though there are some) and instead lets her just confirm, contextualize, and detail things from her POV — like how she and Jeter met at a dinner party and started text-flirting, secretly, while she was at the end of her marriage to Mottola. Knowing that fans already suspected the song “The Roof” was about her first meeting with him made it easier for her to reveal what she wore the night they had a clandestine kiss on the roof (get it?) of his apartment building. There was Moët. She wore a buttery leather Chanel skirt. She remembers her boots and the rain and her hair curling in stunning detail. 'Of course I do! I can never forget that moment,” she says. “I mean, it’s not like it was some intensely deep, intellectually stimulating — again, it was a great moment, and it happened in a divine way because it helped me get past living there, in Sing Sing, under those rules and regulations."

https://www.vulture.com/2020/10/mariah-carey-memoir-song-stories.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/04/arts/music/mariah-carey-memoir-rarities.html

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-09-23/review-of-the-meaning-of-mariah-carey "a stolen moment with Jeter, kissing in the rain, provided the basis for what she calls her first complete docu-song, “The Roof,” from her acclaimed 1997 album, “Butterfly.”" https://ew.com/music/mariah-carey-save-the-day-lauryn-hill/ save the day "aligns with Carey's innovative proclivity for singing over rap beats, as she did on her fan-favorite 1997 song "The Roof," for example, which samples the Mobb Deep classic "Shook Ones Part II."" https://www.slantmagazine.com/music/every-mariah-carey-album-ranked/ "she describes a fleeting moment of rain-soaked liberation on “The Roof,” her lower register dripping and melding with the track’s impeccable sound design" https://vmagazine.com/article/mariah-carey-on-voting-racial-equality-and-self-care/

"The Meaning Of Mariah Carey offers new, deeper insights into the real-life stories behind Carey’s music—whether it be her steamy work of R&B autofiction in “The Roof” "

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/08/all-75-mariah-carey-singles-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

"Somehow in 1998, a Mariah Carey song built around a Mobb Deep sample felt right. “The Roof” is still a good song. I just wonder what Mary J. Blige would sound like on it"

https://www.newsday.com/entertainment/celebrities/mariah-carey-derek-jeter-affair-a57558

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/mariah-carey-2019-bbma-icon-8508548/

"Carey’s history with contemporary hip-hop is extensive and well-documented, but she showed just how plugged in she was when she sampled the eerie, menacing creep of Mobb Deep’s underground classic — and, of course, invited the Queens rap duo to appear on the song’s remix."

"Taking the sample of their ”Shook Ones (Pt. II)” to its logical conclusion, Prodigy and Havoc hop on this remix to bring extra grit and grime to the aching ballad."

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/mobb-deep-samples-prodigy-havoc-7841042/

"Mariah Carey’s Butterfly track “The Roof” spun Mobb Deep’s “Shook Ones, Part II” into a sultry track about a steamy one-night stand that involved some Moet, a little rain and a rooftop — a flip authentic enough to the street-classic original for Prodigy and Havoc themselves to show up on the official remix. "

https://www.billboard.com/pro/mariah-carey-top-female-solo-artist-interview/

https://www.vibe.com/music/music-news/mariah-carey-the-roof-brandy-1234656829/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mariah-carey-butterfly-25th-anniversary-stream-buy-download-1234594017/

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/mariah-carey-butterfly-25th-anniversary-1235139166/

4k video remaster 2022

https://www.newspapers.com/image/425031555/

music video released in december 1997

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Not actual name

Anyone who has the album would know that the song is actually simply called "The Roof". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.8 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 29 May 2006.

The single release is not "occasionally" titled "The Roof (Back in Time)"; every track listing for the single I've read lists it with that subtitle (see, for example, [1]). Extraordinary Machine 21:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Except that it was only released as a single in like 5 small countries where it didn't do very well. It is much more widely know as and refered to as simply "The Roof". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.40 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 12 June 2006.

So are you saying that the article should be moved to The Roof? (Or possibly The Roof (song), as there are films and other things titled "The Roof".) Extraordinary Machine 20:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, probably —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.40 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 5 July 2006.

Okay, done. Extraordinary Machine 21:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Roof already links to this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.134 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 10 July 2006.

Yes, but I'm about to turn it into a disambiguation page. Also, in the infobox the title should be written as "The Roof (Back in Time)", because that's what it was called when it was released as a single and the infobox is an infobox for singles. Extraordinary Machine 19:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Roof (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

a dab link
What is the name of the song, "The Roof" or "The Roof (Back in Time)"? Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Its officially "The Roof (Back in Time)" but is usually shortened to "The Roof" :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Composition

Link contemporary R&B (lower case 'c', too)
Eb ♭ major should be 'E{{music|flat}} major' and link to E-flat major
A♭-F♭-1 - no dash between F♭ and 1
"spans from the note of Eb♭3" → "spans from the low note of E♭3"
Link piano and guitar
"Aside from assisting with its writing and chord progression" - wouldn't chord progression be part of writing
Nickson's quote should have spaced en dashes instead of unspaced hyphens
There is no mention of the sample of "Shook Ones part II", which you note in the lead

Critical reception

Slant Magazine should not be in italics as it is online-only
MOS:QUOTE - quotes in quotes should have inverted commas - ie 'The Shook Ones', not "The Shook Ones". The same with 'liberated' with 'Moet'

Commercial reception

'top-100' should be 'top 100'
"In The Netherlands, it performed weakly as well, peaking at number sixty-three while spending five weeks fluctuating in the charts" → In the Netherlands, it performed weakly as well, peaking at number sixty-three while spending five weeks fluctuating in the Dutch Singles Chart.

The Dutch Chart ref does not actually verify anything about the song. Can I suggest [2] instead? Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Music video

File:Mariah-carey-the-roof.jpg should be shrunk, and needs a link to the video
As above, Slant Magazine not in italics
Caption of screenshot should be 'The video showing a wet Carey in the back of the limousine' (no full stop)

Live performances

The lead and this section give different ideas. The Japanese performances aren't in here, and the lead gives the impression that the song was performed on all tour legs

Formats and track listings

Source?
A 12" single is mentioned in the infobox, but makes not appearance here.

Credits and personnel

Are these in any particular order? If not, they should go alphabetically.
- Thats the order it shows in the album's liner notes. The last 2 are only credited because of the samples.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK, that's fine. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Roof (song) → The Roof (Back in Time) — actual title of the song. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Sure, either one is okay for me :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I wanted this to happen before. I support. Novice7 | Talk 02:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now at least. What evidence is there that it's the actual title of the song? Google [3] gives me lots of sites such as [4] [5] (my first two hits, yours may differ) that just call the song The Roof; When I restrict the search [6] I get less than one sixth as many hits. Andrewa (talk) 01:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning to support. The song is titled just "The Roof" on the album back cover, but apparently the "(Back in Time)" phrase was when the song was released as a single. Since it needs to be disambiguated from other things titled The Roof in any case, I think using the title written on the cover of the single release is more natural than an artificial disambiguator. Jafeluv (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning to oppose - I may be wrong, but it seems this is a subtitle rather than part of the actual title, so including it in our article title (which we don't normally do with subtitles) may be misleading. "(song)" may be artificial, but it's Wikipedia's standard and transparent way of disambiguating in cases like this.--Kotniski (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of links: Amazon lists it as "The Roof (Back in Time)", while the label's Upload of the video uses "The Roof". Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is about the single, which is clearly shown on the sleeve as being The Roof (Back in Time). Hopefully, this isn't one of those really irritating cases where the sleeve and the label have different names. It is not all that uncommon for the title to be different on the album and the single. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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