Talk:The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)

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So what's it like?

Ballad? Mid Tempo? 5 minutes, 33 seconds of silence? - Richfife (talk) 19:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

One of the actual things said in WP:BIAS is "Common sources of bias include political, financial, religious, philosophical, or other beliefs. While a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context. When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control and a reputation for fact-checking." We shouldn't just shout out wikilinks to essays and policy without reading them. Weegeerunner (talk) 21:10, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And one of the things said in WP:RSOPINION is "Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs and tweets as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the biographical material." Also, you've stated the quote yourself in WP:BIASED, "When dealing with a potentially biased source, editors should consider whether the source meets the normal requirements for reliable sources, such as editorial control and a reputation for fact-checking." Another misstep that you guys forgot to consider. Personally, I'm trying to follow the rules, if I see something so biased like an author's opinion in a source, there is no way I'm considering it as factual and hopefully you would do the same. Thank you for taking it to the talk page. I hope you comprehend both the guidelines and my actions. Correctingsection0062

Two problems

WP:V is the policy. WP:RS is just a guideline. Verifiability is the threshold. While I disagree with the source, not alternate source has been provided. V trumps anything you've supplied.
Bigger problem, you've reverted it to your preferred version six times in under 24 hours. The bright-line rule is three times. You may not have known that, so I warned you on your talk page after the fifth, but you made the sixth anyhow. Do not edit war. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stone is certainly a reliable source and they refer to it as pop [1]. Calidum ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They actually call it "a loping pop song laced with distinctly punk-ish power chords". Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:39, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since we can't agree on the genre should be displayed I decided to move it here until we reached a consensus. Like I said before, it's a pretty weak source. It doesn't elaborate and it isn't prominent. Heck you have even said it yourself. Anyways, back on the discussion, did you know that recently "pop rock" songs don't get played on "rock" radios? I dare you to my find me a "pop rock" song nowadays that was/is being played on the rock radios and charting on the "Hot Rock Songs." I'm not sure why are you trying to keep supporting a weak source when we both know that is weak. In the end reasons like this song being played on the rock radios and charting on the rock charts is something that "pop rock" songs don't do. Have a nice day and your suggestions are welcomed. Correctingsection0062 (talk) 15:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

{{Infobox single | Name = The Miracle (Of Joey Ramone) | Cover = U2 The Miracle.jpg | Artist = [[U2]] | Album = [[Songs of Innocence (U2 album)|Songs of Innocence]] | Format = | Released = {{Start date|2014|09|15|df=yes}} | Recorded = 2010–2014 | Genre = [[Pop rock]]<ref>{{cite web | url=http://drownedinsound.com/releases/18417/reviews/4148225 | title=Album Review: U2 - Songs of Innocence | publisher=[[Drowned in Sound]] | date=15 September 2014 | accessdate=22 March 2015 | author=Lukowski, Andrzej}}</ref> | Length = {{Duration|m=4|s=16}} | Label = [[Island Records|Island]] | Writer = U2 ([[Composer|music]]), [[Bono]] and [[The Edge]] ([[Lyricist|lyrics]]) | Producer = [[Danger Mouse (musician)|Danger Mouse]], [[Paul Epworth]], [[Ryan Tedder]] | Last single = "[[Invisible (U2 song)|Invisible]]"<br />(2014) | This single = "'''The Miracle (Of Joey Ramone)''

Correctingsection0062 (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that we can't agree, it's that you don't agree with the reference and two editors who have commented here and one more who reverted an early edit. I don't disagree that it's a weak source: on that you and I agree. However, it's better than no source at all.

As for pop rock songs not played on rock radio, that too is unsourced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 October 2018

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The result of the move request was: MOVED (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 11:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Miracle (Of Joey Ramone) → The Miracle (of Joey Ramone) – Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles#Capital letters, "Do not capitalize a normally lower-cased word... in a dependent clause that does not begin the title and is not used as a stand-alone title", and it gives the example of the album Scary Monsters (and Super Creeps). The phrase in parentheses "of Joey Ramone" is clearly a dependent clause, and is not used as a standalone title, as far as any of this page's sources are involved. 83.248.186.87 (talk) 19:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - explanation above says it all. Capitalized "Of" has always looked weird to me. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 11:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per MOS:CT. Darkday (talk) 00:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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