Talk:The Battle of Algiers

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propaganda

the director is a communist journalist, the producer is a leader of the FLN and he plays his own role. this is what i call a propaganda movie. source: [1] L'Humanité newspaper of the french communist party. Shame On You 21:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it is, but that's no reason to but a 'NPOV' tag on the article. The fact that the film is not neutral does not mean that the article isn't, unless there's a specific problem that you've found. Cop 633 21:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i found propaganda on the very first line of the article..! Shame On You 21:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with it? Cop 633 21:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Algerian War of Independence against French occupation" independence against french coccupation?? it was french since 1830! ain't the United states of america an occupation of the Apaches land??? Shame On You 21:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

can't you read? 1830-1962 this is not occupation and the french got algeria legally. Shame On You 21:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think it should say instead? Cop 633 21:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dunno, something more neutral. it's like that line "former French colonists of Algiers (the pieds-noirs)" colonists? pied noirs were born there for generations, are they "colonists"? are the irish-americans called colonists? are the british-aussies called colonists? the pied noirs themselves called "colonist" the metropolitan french living in algeria. Shame On You 21:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about 'French rule' instead of 'French occupation'? Cop 633 21:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

this is good. Shame On You 21:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1960s screening in Argentina

someone like to explain how a film scripted in 65 and released in 66 was shown beginning in 63?

"By 1963, cadets at the (then infamously well-known) Navy Mechanics School (ESMA) started receiving counter-insurgency classes aided by the film The Battle of Algiers." Qleem 16:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out confusion. The source (Horacio Verbitsky) actually says: "Soon after Gardes met Roussillon, the cadets at the Navy Mechanic School were also introduced to the world of counter-revolutionary warfare. In one of their courses they were shown The Battle of Algiers..." The courses started in 1963, but Verbitsky doesn't say which year exactly they were shown that film. Tazmaniacs 18:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

redir from Battle of Algiers

I have just added the content from Battle of Algiers and redirected that page here. The DVD Box cover, subtitles, and IMDB all give the English title with the article "The." Andrew Levine 02:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to get citations (citations needed)

Article says:

According to the Defense Department official in charge of the screening, "Showing the film offers historical insight into the conduct of French operations in Algeria, and was intended to prompt informative discussion of the challenges faced by the French."

This is tagged with a "citation needed." The best I can come up with is CNN anchor Richard Roth saying: "We mentioned the movie had a screening already at the Pentagon. A Defense Department spokesman said the film offers historical insight into the conduct of French operations in Algeria and does prompt discussions on the challenges faced by the French." (from transcript at [2] scroll to about halfway) I'm not even sure how to identify the particular DoD spokesman. WSU ENG 3040 W2006 21:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Music

This is partly for my own information and partly for the musical section. Who does the vocal song(s). I am speaking specifically about the Spanish? song played in the club before the bombing. It doesn't seem to be in the credits anywhere. --gren グレン 21:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From an angry critic

Why not just remove the whole article? Its generalisations are questionable; it talks about 'narrative style' (?); it is wrong about Mathieu and General Massu; its references to Eisenstein, verite and neorealism are glib and questionable; I'm fed up seeing its waffle in lazier student essays. It references NOTHING. Why not just disallow ANYTHING that is unreferenced? That might help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.130.77 (talk • contribs) 02:43 February 11, 2007

Could you be more specific about the exact problems? Then we can fix them. Cop 633 01:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a few references but it still needs more. Cop 633 15:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move. There's some history merging to be done as well since the content here has evolved in three different places. I'll resolve double redirects but leave the subsequent redirect to Battle of Algiers to someone else. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The Battle of Algiers → The Battle of Algiers (film) — Based on the recent Torture during the Algerian War article, there seems to be people using "Battle of Algiers" to refer to the actual political struggle over Algiers during the Algerian War of Independence - this of course is the subject of the film (which is NOT a documentary). Adding "(film)" would make clear that the article is about the film, not real events. The current redirect setup redirects to The Battle of Algiers (film) to The Battle of Algiers - the logic of which escapes me. Is the semi-fictional film of the event superceding the actual event itself? —Bwithh ^{Join Up! See the World!} 09:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC) copied from WP:RM Bobblehead 06:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

Move. The Battle of Algiers really took place and is the object of a French Wiki fr:Bataille d'Alger article (while fr:La Bataille d'Alger (film)... ) Tazmaniacs 06:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support and change The Battle of Algiers to a redirect to Battle of Algiers. A random sampling of the links that come to this page indicate that the Algerian War of Independence is the intended link for a significant portion of the links coming here.--Bobblehead 06:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey - in opposition to the move

Discussion

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Film date

Why is this film, made in 1966 or 1967, listed in the category "1965 films"? Shouldn't this be corrected? -0:58 July 13 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.179.97.247 (talk) 22:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Released in 1966 - date altered accordingly.

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Jihad film category

removed. No mention of Jihad in film or anywhereelse . --Dodo19 (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV header

Looks like all the POV debates were resolved four years ago, at least . . . if there are no objections, I'm going to clear out the NPOV tag in a couple of days. --140.247.249.126 (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's been quite a long couple of days. So I've removed the NPOV tag. Before considering replacing it please raise whatever issues you have on the talk page. The tag should not be added to indicate personal disaproval of the article or its subject. --Simon Speed (talk) 00:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Critical acclaim

It's #48 in "Critics’ Top 250 Films" of 2012 Sight&Sound poll (http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandsoundpolls/2012/critics) and #26 in "Directors’ Top 100 Films" (http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sightandsoundpolls/2012/directors/). This is propably more important and "authoritative" than e.g. Empire Magazine's list, so it should be mentioned. 178.213.236.235 (talk) 17:42, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Educational assignment

Hey, I am part of the group doing an educational assignment on this page. Here is an overview of what we propose to change, in order to try and improve the neutrality and scholarly quality of the page.

In the intro, some of the language is biased and emotive,e.g.colonial power to annihilate, wipe them out. therefore, we plan to make the language neutral and more objective. We also agree with adding sight and sound as a source in the intro.

In the subject area, we have references to back up some of the points e.g. "intended effect was the "Casbah-as-chorus", communicating with chanting, wailing and physical effect." Slow Looking: The Ethics and Politics of Aesthetics: Jill Bennett, Empathic Vision: Affect, Trauma, and Contemporary Art (Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press, 2005) Mark Reinhardt, Holly Edwards, and Erina Duganne, Beautiful Suffering: Photography and the Traffic in Pain (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 2007) Gillo Pontecorvo, director, The Battle of Algiers (Criterion: Special Three-Disc Edition, 2004) Michael J. Shapiro

University of Hawai'i

Production and style - we want to edit the screenplay section quite extensively as we feel there are lots of claims or information given without references. There is also quite a bit of information given that isn't relevant to the screenplay. We would also like to add some further informartion about the visual style and techniques, which we have sources to back up with. e.g. how the film looks like a documentary. We also want to add some more information about sound and music such as the use of voiceovers and it's effect.

Post-release history - we want to change critical acclaim to critical recpetion. Also, some of the language is a bit bias in the critical acclaim section. We also want to add more and differing receptions of the film. In the Political controversies of 1960s, we want to add arguments from the director that the film was neutral and not against the French. In addition, we want to add more information about how and why the film was banned in France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enajedaw (talk • contribs) 12:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Where's the plot?

This is not a documentary, it's a docudrama at best. Like any fictional film (and arguably any documentary) it has a plot, not just a subject. I added the frame device (starting with the end then flashing back) but more needs to be done. Anonymous-232 (talk) 04:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]