Talk:Tash Sultana

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Pronouns

The bio posted at [1] and [2] (identical text as of posting) displays a very conspicuous (and phraseologically awkward) avoidance of any personal pronouns. Given that, and in the absence of any immediately apparent source either way, I'm not confident that the article's use of feminine pronouns (and categorization in a female people category) is correct. Is there a source that addresses this? (A non-official source that uses feminine pronouns without addressing the issue specifically is probably not good enough, because the author could just be assuming.) – PointyOintment (talk · contribs) 09:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tash Sultana is female. The use of female pronouns ought to be used. The article is confusing in it's use of pronouns as mentioned by PointyOintment. This needs to be edited to reflect her gender. TylerJWhit (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The newsweek article cited on the wiki page [3] clearly states that Tash uses they/them/their pronouns. The wiki page should follow this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.15.255.227 (talk) 17:55, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

206.197.198.4 (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I believe correct grammar should be used on this platform. Using plurality in place of singular references disrupts reading flow and seems amateurish. StaticPressure (talk) 17:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At last, ik am pleased to mete a nother Wikipedian who is as appall'd by the use of the barbarous singular you as ik am. Thou art right, in a propre Encyclopaedia we scholde speke as oure forefathers, not degrade oure greate tongue with wordys newer than 1300 AD. (Singular they is fine, thaugh, it is from the 1200s.) -sche (talk) 19:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Singular "they" is grammatically correct, as that article explains. Also, the Wikipedia Manual of Style explicitly states both that we should respect a subject's own perception of their gender identity (MOS:GENDERID) and that Singular they pronouns are appropriate to use in reference to a person who goes by them. (MOS:NEOPRONOUN) — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 16:59, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just because an individual prefers that other people misuse the English language does not mean they must or should. Certainly, an on-line encyclopedia should use correct, modern, grammar. Gcarter112 (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. That's why we use singular they here, despite some individuals' preference that we shouldn't. :) -sche (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify: historically, "they" has been correctly used for indeterminant antecedents, like "someone" not determinant antecedents like "the boy." StaticPressure (talk) 16:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's absolutely ridiculous to use to poor and confusing grammar to humor someone with a complete lack of basic biology principles. Acceptance is one thing, but dumbing down society for individual self gratification is FUCKING RETARDED. 108.11.8.13 (talk) 15:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above comment is partially correct. Here is an interview where the artists explicitly states "I think people took it a bit too seriously. I was being a little bit sarcastic" [4]. This wiki article reads badly. If the above commenter wishes to fix awkward phrasing, they are welcome to. However, it would simplier to user the pronoun her/she as there is little evidence the artist identifies or prefers they/them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.29.104.16 (talk) 03:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The vagueness is indeed awkward. I suggest we address it clearly and concisely early in the article and then we continue with the preferred gender-neutral pronouns. Following suit from the Caitlyn Jenner article, I propose we start the article as follows:

Tash Sultana (born Natasha Sultana; 15 June 1995) is an Australian singer-songwriter and multi-instrumentalist, described as a "one-person band". Sultana's 2016 single "Jungle" was voted into third place in the Triple J Hottest 100, 2016; Sultana also had three songs voted into the Triple J Hottest 100, 2017.

What does everyone else think of the above? Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 23:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, your edit does nothing to address the issues raised above (with pronouns/wording, which the lead already does not use), and only adds a second name. Was this person ever notable under that other name, e.g. famous under that name as a musician, as they are under the current name? If not, then it should not be in the lead there (per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Changed_names, the part that starts "In the case of..."). Jenner, of course, was notable under her other name. -sche (talk) 07:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would say, let's make the edit it as it moves us in the right direction. As much as it helps with the vagueness, I agree that it doesn't fully solve it. However, there's no need to keep the article reading so poorly simply because a perfect solution hasn't been found yet. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 17:31, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She is a woman. Refer to her as "she", not "they" please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Severian 1 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronouns (again) - sorry!

The third paragraph of the Career section begins:

"A home recording of the single "Jungle" has gained over 40 million views. Sultana went into the studio with producer Nikita Miltiadou and began working on the EP release Notion. In September 2016, they released the EP through their own independent record label, Lonely Lands Records."

I'm confused: who released the EP and who owns the record label - Sultana and Militiadou or Sultana alone? These are very basic facts, but the use of pronouns in the article makes them unintelligible. JezGrove (talk) 19:15, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020 - Change Pronouns

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1) Where it says "and her Like a Version of "Electric Feel" at number 78", change "her" to "their"

2) Under "Nominee/Work" for J Award, change "herself" to "themself" Johndeer69420 (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Rab V (talk) 22:31, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2020 - Update ARIA Music Awards table

Change {{pending}} to {{nom}}
Change Award entry from ARIA Award for Best Soul/R&B Release to [[ARIA Award for Best Soul/R&B Release|Best Soul/R&B Release]]
Add or Update reference to <ref name="ARIA 2020 Wins">{{cite web | url = https://www.aria.com.au/awards/news/and-the-2020-aria-award-goes-to | title = And the 2020 ARIA Awards Go To… | publisher = Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) | access-date = 2 December 2020 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20201126005048/https://www.aria.com.au/awards/news/and-the-2020-aria-award-goes-to | archive-date = 26 November 2020 | url-status = live }}</ref>

Thank you.Didier Landner (talk) 10:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2022

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Sultana rose to international prominence with (their)? 2016 single "Jungle",

Sultana rose to international prominence with (her) 2016 single "Jungle", 2A02:C7E:121B:4F00:A93B:1E3A:A989:2103 (talk) 16:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. also read this talk page and WP:GENDERID, seems they have chosen "they" as their preferred pronouns in the past Cannolis (talk) 17:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest Update on YouTube views…

Latest views of jungle are now at 163M so needs updating 122.106.100.12 (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now up to 168 Million views and counting. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 00:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]