Talk:Sunspot (Marvel Comics)

Moved discussion

I have moved the discussion regarding the definitiveness of the OHOTMU here from the metatext of the page proper:

By User Britney Spears: "Actually, the versions of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe prior to the 1990's Master Edition and the Editions of 2004-2005 are not considered definitive by editors and writers at all. This is because older editions were written hastilly by TWO editors (Peter Sanderson and Mike Lehrer) who usually did not correspond with the creaters of the characters they were defining and as such thier entries were only marginally accurate. As email and the world wide web did not functionally exist as means of communication between such creative parties the problems were understandable, as writers didn't always have accessable mailing addresses. An assumption readers make is that the person who provided the art for the character in the Marvel Universe also wrote the entry, which was not the case. (example John Byrne for Wolverine in Marvel Universe issue 12 vol.1) Only sometime after 1990 the internet was in wide use and an accurate Marvel Universe was possible. But don't take my word for it, contact Marvel editors and confirm it for yourself. http://www.marvel.com/about/contact_us/email.htm"

The fanbase at large considers the OHOTMUs of the eighties *far* more accurate and better done than the 90s Master Edition. The jury is still out on the 2004-2005 series and it will only accurately be judged after the passage of time. You also overestimate the importance of email and www, presenting the situation as if people somehow lived in isolation prior to the 'enlightened' Age of the Internet, and you suggest that accuracy was impossible prior to the Internet -- a ludicrous claim. You also throw around wild assumptions, like the art argument you make, that seem to have nothing to do with the main point; this combined with your frequent misspellings suggest that you do not really know what you're talking about.

I will seek to corroborate your story regarding the definitiveness of the eighties OHOTMUs from fellow comic book historians, rather than from Marvel's PR department. Sending an email to Marvel's PR people will be the equivalent of calling an IT helpdesk. They're clueless, and to get to the real answers, you will have to go to the actually knowledgeable people behind the scenes.

Wrong

Your comments about the nomenclatures are wrong. In Spanish Da Costa wouldn't be one word either. For example De la Torre, Del Valle, Lavalle (this one became a single word, we never put capitals in the middle of a word), Del Puerto, De la Rocha, Del Toro or "Mier y Terán". In Italian it's also the same: Da Vinci, Da Angelo, etc. Now that i think about it in French they ise contractions like D'Argeaens, L'Something and is probbably only in English that last names goes MacSomethings or McThat or O'Somebodies, but nope, you will never see 2 capital letters in the sameword in Spanish.

--201.114.99.246 05:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Just a sidenote to an otherwise correct mini-dissertation on nomenclature - only names with origins from say, Irish or Scottish, have capitals in the middle, either, in English (MacDonald, for instance, which IRRC means "from the clan of Donald"). It's true that members of those countries also speak English (though they also speak other languages, too), but real "English" names, even when they come from two seperate words, like "Shakespeare", do NOT have random capitals in the middle of a word either, at least not any I've ever seen that have actually come from England/Britain and had Anglo-Saxon origins. Also, I wouldn't count the French names as being smooshed the way "MacDonald" is, as French does that all the time with regular words and phrases anyway; it's not a change in grammar for the sake of nomenclature, it's nomenclature that follows the same rules of grammar as the rest of the language (de la Rosa, for instance, is similarly proper grammar in Spanish regardless of whether you are using it as a name or in a sentence - with each word being seperated). French names are still seperated into seperate words in the way the grammar of the language dictates; "Le'Blanc" means "The White" regardless of whether it's a surname or in a sentence in the title of a book. Runa27 20:41, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

As a Brazilian I have to correct some of the information presented in the main article. First of all, in Brazil the language spoken is Portuguese (not Spanish). Therefore, DC's character "Fire" could never has Beatriz Bonilla da Costa as her name . Although "Costa" is a common name , "Bonilla" is not.Actually, it's a Spanish family name. The last point is that "Da Costa" is not a family name. "Costa" it is. But "Da" is not the correct written form of this nomenclature in the Portguese language. The real correct way to write such nomenclature would be "da". So, this shows how little writers know about the culture of the characters' countries that they created.

--- I deleted this nonsense: "Another point to consider, is the fact that Brazillians don't use their father's last name as their own, they use their mother's; so da Costa should actually be his mother's last name, and not his father's, although it is quite possible that they both had the same last name, even if they weren't related, as da Costa is a common surname in Brazil." It's just plain wrong. Simply read the Portuguese names article. One's last surname, in Brazil, is almost always the father's last name. If "Roberto da Costa" is his full name, almost certainly both his parents had the common "da Costa" surname; it could also have a middle surname from his mother (who had addopted his husband last name after marriage) yet to be revealed. 200.255.9.38 18:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I readed the discussion, so I have to ask: What are wrong with u, guys?If Sunspot name is written in Spanish or Potuguese, it's just a detail.I'm a Brazilian, descendent of a Spanish saylorman, so I need talk in English,Spanish & Portuguese...And I wanna learn French,German, Italian... By the way: It's supernormal translate names from Spanish to Portuguese, and Vice-Versa. The most important is: There is a Brazilian Super Hero in the Marvel Universe, and I proud to be a Brazilian Citzen, 'coz Sunspot show in the fiction the best qualities ( and the commom mistakes ) of my co-citzens.So, Brazilian fans, just send your comments to Marvel.com

Regards, { Bryard 13:43, 13 March 2011 (UTC) 23:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)}

Yes, the World Trade Center

Was Sunspot involved when Juggernaut and Black Tom attacked and partially destroyed parts of the World Trade Center? I know, I know, but it was a very, very confusing story.

Lots42 15:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe he was still with Gideon at the company

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Sunspot isn't even in the forefront of this pic. It should be changed post-haste. Lots42 (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

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Cleanup

This article is bad. Like, really bad. The whole thing is fixated on whether his name and activities are consistent between writers, and less on Sunspot as a character. It comes off as extremely defensive and trying to rationalise these inconsistencies. If I had more time and more working knowledge of the character in question I would clean it up. 69.196.139.214 (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Main Picture

I don't regularly make changes on this website and I assume that if I just changed the main picture, somebody with a more vested interest in this page who edits it regularly would be annoyed and just change it back, but I think it's worth noting that the current picture is a notably whitewashed rendering of Roberto a black mixed race character. This is enough of an issue that several articles have been written on the subject of Sunspot's whitewashing specifically, at least one addresses this artist specifically. Like I said, I don't really know what I'm doing here so I'd appreciate if someone could just change it.65.175.159.120 (talk) 06:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

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