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P&O Straths

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Is anyone out there?

There is a mistake here. Wikipedia itself refers to the P&O's Strathallan[1], which makes five P&O Straths. Have any others been missed?

Prosopon (talk) 11:40, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Place Names

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In the place names section, it states the "suffix" is used in many place names, but it seems to be used as a prefix... am I missing something? 157.248.5.3 (talk) 03:22, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Word and etymology

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Hi all,

The (interestingly titled) Word and etymology section is split into three paragrpahs:

*The first explicitly states that strath is "An anglicisation of the Gaelic word srath" there is no source for this claim.

*The second cites SPNS research for a further claim that " Strath- is of Gaelic and Brittonic origin.", even though the research itself states that "strad (m)" is P-Celtic" (i.e. Brittonic only).

*The third paragraph derives Gaelic "srath" from Old Irish, a safe claim I feel but then goes on to say "The modern Scottish Gaelic...developed from substrate influence from Pictish" which I do not feel is something the text ever approaches. The source does discuss the "substrate influence" the Pictish language may have had on pp72-73, but goes on to say "Our knowledge of both Pictish and Gaelic is so imperfect that in many cases we can never know which of these two processes might be involved."

I think this section has been constructed in good faith but the idea that the modern word "strath" is an "anglicisation of the Gaelic" goes against both the commonly held views (such as the SPNS itself) and the sources cited here. I don't know if the Gaelic word "Srath" is relevant here at all (SPNS research only has Strathbrock as "possibly" Gaelic in origin), but I believe this section needs to be rewritten with more/better sourcing. However, I am far from an expert on Gaelic or the early Gaelic influence on modern toponymy so I am happy to discuss, especially if I am missing something here.

Cymrogogoch (talk) 09:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read the SPNS source again. It states that the Scots word "strath" comes from the Gaelic sra[i]th. This is supported by the OED. Zacwill (talk) 10:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You also missed the section of Pictish Progress which supports the substrate claim. On page 108, the author includes srath in a list of Gaelic words "whose meaning in place-names seems to have been influenced by a Pictish cognate (Pictish substrate influence)". Zacwill (talk) 11:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]