Talk:Stanisław Piasecki

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Poland Low‑importance

	Poland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Poland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Poland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PolandWikipedia:WikiProject PolandTemplate:WikiProject PolandPoland articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Polish-Jewish

Certainly his family background is relevant, particularly given that his detractors used this against him. However, we do not usually label Christians, born in Christian families (one parent being a convert), as Polish-Jewish (or American-Jewish, or any other X-Jewish)- with the rare exception of the individual themselves identifying this way (which is not the case here). I am not opposed to mentioning Jewish roots in the first paragraph - just with the corrrect terminology.Icewhiz (talk) 22:15, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Christians, born in Christian families" You seem to be confusing religious affiliation with ethnic background-we usually don't classify people in the bios based on their faith primarily,but on their ethnic and nationality background first, religious affiliation comes much more later.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:36, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is simply not the way we generally do this on-wiki (or in English generally) - do you have a RS describing him (in the RS's voice - not a quote of a detractor) as Polish-Jewish?Icewhiz (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

pro-Nazi ?

This opinion has been presented in the lead, no such opinion in the text nor in Prosto z mostu. Xx236 (talk) 12:30, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The politics of literature: Poland 1945-1989 - since 1945.Xx236 (talk) 12:40, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source quite clearly says this.Icewhiz (talk) 12:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your “cited source” is not even a credible nor reputable source to begin with as it’s from an op-Ed that follows a clear Jewish POV/bias as it’s written by Jewish authors only. -2600:1001:B122::18C8:959C:450B:9905:8E27 (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Tighe published by University of Wales Press. The author being or not being (I really do not know) Jewish has no bearing on reliability.Icewhiz (talk) 19:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Traces of a crime - the Google search contains antisemitic, but not pro-Nazi. Which source?Xx236 (talk) 12:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's typical to accuse Poles of fascism or Nazism. Ignorance, communist propaganda. Why Polish Nazis opposed Nazism in 1939 and helped Jews (have you read your sources)?Xx236 (talk) 12:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fear or fascination. Nazi Germany in “Prosto z mostu” weekly - is fear pro-Nazi?Xx236 (talk) 12:49, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Once more - putting a controversial statement in the lead is an unethical manipulation. If you can prove, why don't you prove this in Prosto z mostu ? Xx236 (talk) 12:52, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your source is a book about post-war Communist literature. Xx236 (talk) 12:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Piasecki was murdered by the Nazis. Would you please respect this? Any ethics? Xx236 (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Tighe published by University of Wales Press. I do not see what the subject's death in 1941 has to do with his pre war publication.Icewhiz (talk) 20:18, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Icewhiz, please don't ignore my comments like you do. Don't you know how to write a biography? You are biased, shame on you. Xx236 (talk) 12:42, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We generally present biographical subjects as they are presented in WP:RSes. We generally prefer English academic sources. In this regard, a second source (published by Greenwood Press which merged into ABC-CLIO, the author was an expert in the field - 2013 obit) describes our subject as an "outspoken admirer of Hitler".^[1]

References

^ Holocaust Literature: A Handbook of Critical, Historical, and Literary Writings, Greenwood Press, Saul S. Friedman, page 156 quote: "Stanislaw Piasecki, who had been the editor of an anti-Semitic journal, Prosto z mostu (Straight from the shoulder), and an outspoken admirer of Hitler, was so shocked by the events following the German..."

Western children write about occupied Poland

Piasecki was extremely biased in general, but partially right at that time, the Nazis murdered Polish leaders and imprisoned Poles, not the Jews. The situation of Jews deteriorated step by step but noone, including Jewish leaders, expected mass executions of Jews in Spring 1940. 99% of the readers don't know the context. The USA did business with Nazi Germany at that time, France and UK had fun in Phoney War. But Piasecki was the bad boy.Xx236 (talk) 08:36, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It would be interesting to verify biographies of UK aristocrats, if the words Hitler's admirer are used there. [1] Xx236 (talk) 08:43, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Holocaust Literature: A Handbook of Critical, Historical, and Literary Writings, Greenwood Press, Saul S. Friedman, page 156 quote: "Stanislaw Piasecki, who had been the editor of an anti-Semitic journal, Prosto z mostu (Straight from the shoulder), and an outspoken admirer of Hitler, was so shocked by the events following the German..."

[1]