Talk:Soul2Soul II Tour

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Fair use rationale for Image:Soul2SoulII2006.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:52, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Massive removal of tour description

User:Alkclark removed most of this article's descriptive text concerning the tour, which I have now restored. This article barely survived AfD at a time when many country music and popular music tour articles were deleted. It did so because it was able to establish the notability and importance of the tour through a good deal of reliably-sourced information. Tour articles that consist only or mostly of setlists and tour dates are often deleted, so to strip this article down like that made no sense. Furthermore it was done with a somewhat misleading edit summary, no notice here on the talk page, and no consultation whatsoever with the editors who worked on this page before. I am happy to discuss any particular item of concern in the article, but this wholesale unexplained stripping was unacceptable.

In doing the restoration, I have left intact Alkclark's changes to the reference material sections. I would ask, however, what the rationale is for hiding setlists but leaving open tour dates and box office data. If anything, it should be the other way around: setlists relate directly to the artistic work involved, whereas box office data is strictly commercial and tour dates is really mundane information (in fact, some tour article editors don't allow them at all, although I take a live and let live approach).

Finally, I would note that poster images that are in tour articles should not be removed, even if screenshot images are added at the top. Screenshot images often don't survive fair use at IfD, because they relate to DVD works and not the tour itself, and if the poster images aren't linked to by some article they get bot-deleted as orphans and have to be re-added again. Even if the screenshot image survives, the poster images are still very useful graphics to show how the tour was promoted and portrayed. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User:Alkclark has reverted back to his/her version of the article, without responding here on the talk page. The reverting edit summary says, "added TM tour chron, rm fluffly non-encylcopedic lang rm unnecessary 'filler' stmts, fan-esque writing; this isnt a fansite & u dont reverts edits b/c u disagree with them".

This is an unsatisfactory response. Articles are supposed to be comprehensive; in the words of WP:FACR, a top-quality article "neglects no major facts or details and places the subject in context". Clearly, for a concert tour article a description of the show itself and its themes is a major aspect of the article! Even moreso for this tour, which was not just a collection of songs such together but rather included a series of carefully arranged joint appearances which outlined the theme of the show. Yet Alkclark's deletions remove the entire show description, other than that of the mechanics of the stage. This makes no sense.

I will readily agree that many WP music articles suffer from fannish writing and dubious fan-quality sources. The full version of this article does not have this problem. The sources here, that describe the show and all the other aspects of the tour, are high-quality sources: The Boston Globe, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CMT, Billboard, The Denver Post, and so forth. If Alkclark has specific places in the text where he/she thinks the writing is too fannish, then please list them here. If Alkclark has specific sources that he/she thinks do not qualify per WP:RS, then please discuss them here. The notion that I am reverting edits because I do not agree with them is a red herring; I am simply seeking a comprehensive article about this tour. If Alkclark can point to negative reviews of the show that I have missed and that should be included, I would be more than happy to do so. But to remove large amounts of cited material with a sweeping edit summary comment is not appropriate and, after the earlier requests for elaboration here, shows lack of WP:Civility. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In another forum, Alkclark has said that "The article was very cluttered and unorganized. There were sections that were direct cut/paste from the source. Additionally, the writing appeared to be "fluffed up" fan writing, almost promoting tour." This is the version in question before your changes. The sectioning looks straightforward to me; please explain what was "very cluttered" or "unorganized" about it. Please give specific examples that were "direct cut/paste form the source". And please point out a few of the places you feel were fluffed up or promotional. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Once again Alkclark has failed to respond here at the talk page. I have restored the material about the show (reapplying a few other useful or partially useful changes Alkclark made). If Alkclark brings forward specific instances of concern in this material, I will be happy to discuss and address them. In the meantime, note that Alkclark has been found guilty of sockpuppeteering, including at this article; see Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Alkclark and Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Alkclark. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Musicians

For an article about a tour, no mention of the band? No mention of how many musicians, who, the instruments?

Mydogtrouble (talk) 01:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was there in the "Personnel" section, but it was at the bottom of the article where it was hard to spot. I've moved it higher up. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]