Talk:Heaven's Lost Property

Otoshimono

When I typed that in it lead to a film about Ghost Trains, that's odd considering 'train' doesn't appear in this title, so my guess is it got mistranslated to english? Or renamed. Ghost Train makes me think of FF6. Tyciol (talk) 03:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Otoshimono means "lost property, lost item, lost thing, etc"; nothing to do with trains.--十八 04:56, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Title translation

落し物 (おとしもの) literally means "dropped item". 落とす "to drop / to let fall" (by extension, "to lose") + 物 "thing" = 落し物 "dropped thing". In everyday usage, this often refers to "lost property", and is listed as such in dictionaries like EDICT. However, I really don't think, given the plot summary, that this translation is appropriate. If "lost property" is an official translation, feel free to revert the change I made, though make sure to cite sources. — flamingspinach | (talk) 10:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

This is not correct. 空の落とし物 translates to What was lost from the sky, not dropped. Get a copy of the Japanese script if you would like to argue this point, also see: http://www.soranootoshimono.com/ you may also use translate.google.com

Please do not revert the edit if you do not know what you are talking about. 64.253.39.242 (talk) 19:31, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

As stated by Flamingspinach, おとしもの can mean both "dropped item" or "lost property", depending on the situation. In the story, the main character, Ikaros, fell from the sky, as stated in the plot summary. So clearly おとしもの in the title means "dropped item" instead of "lost property", plus there is no official translation as of yet (www.soranootoshimono.com is not an official website), so I will revert the edit. 116.49.129.252 (talk) 17:34, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

You are correct however you are missing an important point. Ikaros was not only dropped she was lost. In other words she ran away from her master. Her master sent another angel to get her back, so the property is lost it was also dropped but It is "Lost Property of the Sky" I called Japan to confirm which is closer to correct. akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 14:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course FUNimation is going to release it as "Heaven's Lost Property" ( see http://blog.funimation.com/2010/05/funimations-new-acquisitions-anime-central-2010/ ), which is one of the two very similar translations that are most common outside this site, the other being "Lost Property of the Sky." I'm all for letting the gibberish translation stand though, since it's amusing and seems to somehow satisfy somebody's ego. 69.19.14.35 (talk) 02:43, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

"Ikaros" Translation

Ikaros' name translation is "Ikaros", not Icarus. This is proven by multiple views of Sugata's computer analysis of Ikaros. Can be seen in episode 6, as well as some others.

And honestly, Ikaros sounds much more better and personalized than "Icarus", which frankly sucks, IMO. Loganator456 (talk) 01:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

This is not correct. The script says Icarus from the publisher, she was named after person who flew to close to the sun in Greek Myth. The screen on the laptop, spelt her name wrong and fansubs spelt it like that because of this. akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 16:41, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Ikaros is how the Greeks would have spelled it if they used English letters, and it's what is used in the Funimation dub, so it's all good. AngusWOOF (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Review(s)

Mania.co S2 streaming: Ep 01 Ep 02 Ep 03 Ep 04 Ep 05 Ep 06 Ep 07 Ep 08 Ep 09 Ep 10 Ep 11 Ep 12

--KrebMarkt (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

How much authority does mania.com have? I'm not familiar with it, and didn't find a Wikipedia page. -- SEWilco (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Then welcome aboard the Animanga editing area :p

The anime/manga part of this website was formerly know as AnimeOnDVD 1. It's arguably the #2 website in Anime/Manga website in English speaking world, the #1 being Anime News Network. Chris Beveridge who writes the serial reviews is also a know figure in Anime/Manga 12.

Whatever a reviewer opinion should be mentioned is matter of WP:WEIGHT, based on the website reach within the animmanga area and/or beyond, and the reviewer expertise and tenure. Having or not an article in Wikipedia never enters in the equation.

If you have more question about anime sources please ask at WT:ANIME.

--KrebMarkt (talk) 17:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

• THEM: S1 Anime review

--K2NR (talk) 00:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

External Link to US FanClub website

The fanclub is listed on http://www.crunchyroll.com/group/sora_no_otoshimono_fan_group as the official fanclub in the USA. CrunchyRoll has very stricked policies if it is not true it is deleted at once, CrunchyRoll the rights to stream the show from Kadokawa Pictures. I can see that this must be true. I have tested the second season videos and they stream from CrunchyRoll Since CrunchyRoll holds distribution rights to the videos, I would say that this is the English speaking fanclub. The fangroup that was formed on Cruncyroll has 100 members. This does not mean that the fanclub has only 100 members.

I have checked all these things before posting it there. I think I have the burden of proof covered.

Please let me know akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 11:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking into this further, they actually have the domain name: www.SoranoOtoshimono.com being directed to their site as well. No doubt in my mind who the official fanclub in the usa is.

akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 12:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this industry, and with some searching I'm not finding much info. Funimation claims to have rights, but Funimation's page doesn't mention any fan sites. It looks like Funimation is a publisher (under license), so they should have some authority in Wikipedia, but don't mention SoranoOtoshimono.com. Does anyone have info on this topic from Kadokawa Pictures? Did they issue a statement about this? -- SEWilco (talk) 05:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: US "official" fansite

I believe that this website, http://www.lostpropertyofthesky.com/, should not be listed on this article. For one, per WP:ELNO point 11: Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. The user Akc9000 has provided the ANN encyclopedia as a third-party source (which is unreliable per WP:ANIME/RS#Situational: In addition, because the encyclopedia portion is user-edited, that information is not reliable by Wikipedia standards.). The user also provided a link to the Crunchyroll fan group, which is not a third-party source, in the sense that the "official fan club" is intrinsically tied to Crunchyroll, as noted on their homepage. Not only that, but such groups can be created by anyone, which means they are no better than the ANN encyclopedia, or any open wiki which can be edited by anyone. Therefore, the website and it's claims of contacting Kadokawa for the show to return to Crunchyroll is nothing by a self-published source, and is thus not a third-party verifiable or reliable source that can be used to back up such claims.--十八 21:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This is an flawed logical statement. If I cannot use that website, neither can anyone else. Agreed?

You will lose your reference to cites 14, 15, 16 and that information will no longer be valid and I will contest it and remove all the information for the same reason you contest edit I have made. This is not a one way street. Furthermore, You are also WRONG that that site is just a forum that anyone can post information, it is reviewed for accuracy and anything wrong is removed. So if you want a little edit war, please continue to play this little game, otherwise leave my edits alone, if you don't I will remove all the content that does not have a valid cite and nothing on the site will be cite able. I think I know enough about the rules and regulations of Wikipedia to know when someone is trying to do something wrong, and you are. Just try getting off your high horse and look at what you are trying to tell me. You are being absurd. Now I am adding that external like back in to the article, if you remove it, I expect you to remove all the cites and all the verbage those sites provide feedback to. I am not going to let you tell me I am wrong while the rest of the article uses the same reference points and you know I am right don't you? So it is up to you, but if you remove the like, I am removing all the content of the article that does not have a cit that backs it up. Done. You want to be difficult, I can be too. You want to argue about rules and regulations they apply to all edits not just mine and not yours. I provided a third party link, its no good, they neither are any references to that site then on any anime article on any wiki page correct? Therefore, are you telling me to delete all references everywhere on every anime article? Dont pick on my edits if you don't equally enforce your statements everywhere. What, you dont like something that is said on that fan website? Is that your personal opinion, because it seems you are selectively enforcing these rules on my edit and not anyone elses. EXPLAIN! akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 23:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Now you're just confusing me. Refs 14, 15 and 16 are from ANN (which is reliable), and none of which even mention the fansite. And, if you continue to readd this site, I'll bring up the issue at WP:ANIME, and then multiple other editors will tell you the same thing. Either way, I know my concerns are valid, and the reasons I've given are too for the removal of the fansite. Further, your claim that the site "is reviewed for accuracy and anything wrong is removed" is simply not verifiable, and on Wikipedia, verifiability is a must. Like I explained already, the "third-party link" you provided wasn't from an exclusive third party, not to mention that anyone can create such groups on Cruncyroll, meaning the information found on them is not verifiable.--十八 23:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Juhachi, there doesn't seem to be a strong reason to add that website since it is not really "official". And it doesn't provide relevant information either, like information about the manga, the broadcast, the author, the cast, the distribution or something. All, I see are a few short sentences, which do not contribute to what this article already has, and some videos and images. I don't really see why it should be in the external links if it's not officially supported by Crunchyroll, AIC or any other company involved in its production/distribution. And, by the mission statement of the website, I think it falls in #4 of WP:ELNO. Jfgslo (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I also concur with Juhachi's arguments. You may be trustworthy but in no way you are Reliable per Wikipedia standard. Something that wasn't mentioned: What if there are "20" fansites each deciding that they have to be mentioned in External links and then starting a big edit wars just to oust rival fansites? --KrebMarkt (talk) 05:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I give up. I now remember why I stopped contributing, it was because of stuff like this. I remember trying to use a picture of a cisco router that I was told was not in public domain, and even after I got the VP of Marketing to release it into the public domain I actually had to call Wiki about the editors blockint it because they did not know what they were talking about.

Hey, I do my very best to contribute verifiable information. But truthfully, this is not worth my time arguing a the point over. I think you are dead wrong. But as my final statement regarding this, that fan group, is not the fan club, they point to the site as theirs, the fan group has 100 + members and there is way to tell how many members are in the fan club which was merely "born" from the fangroup. Have fun editing this article without me. I had a great deal of data and photo from Japan I could have added to the commons for quite a number of shows, but it is really not worth my time. I found out about this show from Crunchy Roll. I do things for the fun of it, if it a battle it is then work, and work I get paid dearly for. akc9000 ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 13:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's page on Crunchyroll says that they've licensed a DVD. (confirmed?) Does that make them a publisher, thus they are a Wikipedia authority on the industry? I'm not familiar with their web site, so don't know if any of it is contributed by the public. -- SEWilco (talk) 05:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

To be accurate they have secured the right to stream the show legally but they don't own the North America physical distribution right. --KrebMarkt (talk) 08:11, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The article on 5_Centimeters_Per_Second says that Crunchyroll has the DVD rights to that item. So is Crunchyroll now a publisher and thus is a WP:ANIME/RS? If so, then has Crunchyroll said anything about Sora fansites? -- SEWilco (talk) 00:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

You need to be more both accurate & cautious. If Crunchyroll is an official publisher of contents, it will be considered as a primary source. Primary sources are reliable for informations related to their releases, and development & production process. Beyond that any external links provided should be evaluated for itself as some publishers tend to literally pile up links that are either friendly to their products or review them positively, and forget to mention the rest. --KrebMarkt (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Chaos

"or (in Chaos' case) words that stem from Greek roots."

Chaos was is a way a Greek God / Goddess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_the_Greek_gods

Mother of all of the Gods. Just felt like pointing it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.198.73 (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Season 3

I heard season 3 was officially announced through Monthly Shonen Ace magazine March issue. Im too lazy to add this in but i thought i'd post something here. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=392771 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.213.253.119 (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Added refs. Hopefully we'll see it in October. AngusWOOF (talk) 00:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Seiren/Siren (Angeloid Eta)

Is there a possibility to add Seiren (セイレーン, Sirēn) to the characters? Because she is an Angeloid featuring in the manga.
Alright, she only show's up once, but she still is a character. Also, if she wasn't there, Chaos would never be able to swim underwater and escape from the sea.
If everyone is alright with that, I could add her to the characters subject. Wariostarx (talk) 09:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Heaven Lost Property total copies

Anyone knows how much the franchise sells in copies? 2001:448A:1002:4682:E467:CCAE:3CC6:21C5 (talk) 09:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)