Talk:Emperor Shun

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Sources say, (and here too it is said) Shun ruled 50 years (here it says beyond the death of Yao). In whose calendar and whose math! Age 53 plus 50 years of rule and it says he dies at age 100. (53 +50 =100) Am I breaking Wiki-Pedia rules again if I conclude that 53 +50 is 103? Then it says at 30 he was given rule, to rule 30 years with Yao, (making him 60 if I am allowed by Wiki-Pedia rule to conclude 30 +30 =60) when it says he then ruled 50 years (60 +50 =110), not 100 as stated. Can someone clarify this without breaking the Wiki-Pedia TOS of A source +B source = C your own conclusion? Other sources say Yao ruled 2333-2233bc and Shun 2233-2183bc.

The main 3 sources are Bamboo Annals, the Canon of Shun, and Shiji. Bamboo Annals say Yao abdicated the throne entirely to Shun in his 73rd year, living in retirement for another 28 years. Shun had already ruled with Yao as crown prince for 3 years, then ruled in his own right for another 50 years. Canon of Shun says "In the thirtieth year of his age, Shun was called to employment. Thirty years he was on the throne (with Yao). Fifty years afterwards he went on high and died."[1]. The sources don't always agree but they often depict a transition between reigns, not always orderly with other names turning up like Danzhu and Gun. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 17:16, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

huangdi

Chinese wiki says he's the 6th generation descendant of 帝顓頊, thus making him Huangdi's descendant right? Hanfresco 06:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC) In the legends they say that shun has two pupils (in his eyes), shouldn't THAT be in as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.185.58.212 (talk) 13:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 January 2014

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 16:46, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shun (Chinese leader) → Emperor Shun – Original and more natural title, and parallel to Emperor Yao and Emperor Ku. Google search for "Emperor Shun" (exact phrase) returns over 48,000 results, mostly referring to the mythical emperor. Zanhe (talk) 18:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Support - the current title really isn't parelelled for any other Huaxia monarch. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 19:01, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's a natural disambiguation and common to the topic. --Cold Season (talk) 00:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. "Chinese leader" sounds like an attempt not to call him "emperor" (a translation that is anachronistic for pre-Qin figures), but it just sounds odd. The arguably more accurate "Thearch Shun", which gets a few hits on Google Books, sounds incomprehensible to non-specialists. Since "Emperor Shun" is widely used and Emperor Shun (disambiguation) already exists to make the proper distinctions, I see no drawback to this move! Madalibi (talk) 08:36, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Huabiao

The huabiao article states that surviving ancient Chinese records credit Shun with their creation. If so, that should be sourced and mentioned somewhere within this article. — LlywelynII 13:42, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place of death

If Shun died in Cangwu, Guangxi, why is the place name "Cangwu" mentioned nowhere in the text of the current version of this article? 98.123.38.211 (talk) 02:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since he never existed in the first place, and there aren't any important legends about his death, it doesn't matter which place it's said he died at. Is there a temple or mausoleum or grave mound at Cangwu that claims to be Shun's? That would be something to mention if so, but otherwise it's probably just a bit of trivia that has no broader cultural implications. Folly Mox (talk) 08:06, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]