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Requested move 19 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved to Shilla (mountain). Clear consensus to move away from this title and the preference below, in line apparently with what most sources call it and consistency, is for Shilla (mountain). Other proposed titles created as redirects. Jenks24 (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shilla (6132m) → [[:]] – or Shilla (mountain) or Mount Shilla. This new article refers to a mountain in Himachal Pradesh, the title is over precise, but it also appears to be inaccurate according to this edit by the creator, which gives a height of 6,111m the only 'competing' article is Shilla col an adjacent peak and another 'stub' created by the same editor. Both articles have multiple issues but are likely to produce worthwhile articles potentially. There is a dab page Shilla Pincrete (talk) 18:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

nb suggestions amended to take account of objections. Pincrete (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on/suggest alternatives bare 'Shilla' is clearly wrong and is withdrawn as a suggestion.Pincrete (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose In English Shilla refers to the Shilla kingdom of Korea, which is where the kingdom article was till it was moved to Silla, per naming conventions. Mount Shilla (23,050 ft.) is not usually just called "Shilla". In ictu oculi (talk) 20:13, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

David Zurick, ‎Julsun Pacheco Illustrated Atlas of the Himalaya 2006 "On one of the climbing expeditions in the Zanzkar Range in 1860, a native Indian surveyor attained an altitude of 7,025 meters, carrying a signal pole to the top of Mount Shilla. He held the world altitude record for several decades, but we do .." … … … comment left by In ictu oculi

Oppose move to just "Shilla" by itself – There is no evidence that this peak is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Shilla". There are several other candidate topics for "Shilla" that are listed on the dab page, especially including the ancient kingdom in Korea and the Korean hotel chain. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:18, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In ictu oculi, BarrelProof, would 'Shilla (mountain)' or 'Mount Shilla' or similar make sense? The present title doesn't, and is someone going to change the title every time a more accurate height calculation is made? I know next to nothing about 'serious climbing', but came across this by accident, I'm looking for suggestions as much as proposing mine. Pincrete (talk) 21:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Either of those seem OK with me – whichever is more common would be fine. I agree with you that using the height as the disambiguation seems very awkward. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Pincrete per WP:NATURAL then Mount Shilla is what we'd use. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am unfamiliar with this mountain. There are some mountains which would never be called 'Mount XYZ' and for which 'XYZ (mountain)' would be better, could someone confirm that is not the case here, and that 'Mount Shilla' is apt? Bare 'Shilla' is clearly a non-runner, because of the Korean Kingdom. Pincrete (talk) 08:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I did a little bit of off-Wikipedia searching about this topic today. The sources I encountered called it "Shilla", not "Mount Shilla", so I suggest moving the article to "Shilla (mountain)", or perhaps "Shilla (peak)" or "Shilla (Himalayan peak)". —BarrelProof (talk) 04:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Shilla" no evidence given it is the primary topic. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:67.70.32.190, how about the alternatives? Bare 'Shilla' is clearly wrong and I have withdrawn it as a suggestion.Pincrete (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Shilla(Mt. Shilla/Mt Shilla)/Shilla Mountain/Shilla (mountain) all work -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:28, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Shilla (Mountain). According to BarrelProof, reliable sources call it "Shilla" and according a few other editors this is not the primary topic for Shilla, so disambiguate with parentheses.--Wikimedes (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The discussion seems to going towards either Shilla (mountain) or Shilla peak (with or without(…)s), there seem to be no uses of Mount Shilla, the little literature there is online uses 'Shilla' to refer alternately to the mountain or the peak (unsurprising as the peak is what makes it interesting to climbers), but there does not seem to be anything that suggests it is ONLY a peak, not a mountain.Pincrete (talk) 13:20, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Shilla (mountain) or Mount Shilla. Including the height of the mountain in the article name is just stupid. JIP | Talk 18:39, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Shilla (mountain); this is the usual way to disambiguate a mountain from a place of the same name. "Shilla" is way more common that "Mount Shilla" which I could only find 2 book sources for. Bermicourt (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Additional resources

Online, I could only find this and this, it is clear that the 'height' debate is fairly old. I've had to tag 'copyvio' since much of the material is 'cut & paste'.Pincrete (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates

The coordinates at the head of the article contradict those in the text. I have no idea which are correct.Pincrete (talk) 11:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shilla , highest peak in Himachal Pradesh

As per most of the books , shilla is the highest peak of Himachal Pradesh with a hight approx. 7025 metres. But as per this page it's not . Any explanation??? Kk123456kp (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kk123456kp, short answer is because most sources don't give the 7025m figure, I believe that there has in the past been some disagreement about height and we would need good sources claiming 'highest peak' .

" Peak Shilla (6111 meters, 20,050 feet) was made famous by an ascent in 1860 by an unnamed survey khalasi and by the wrong height assigned to it. Chau Chau Kang Nilda (Guan Nelda; 6303 meters, 20,680 feet) was climbed by Jimmy Roberts in 1939. The latest map shows Gyah (6794 meters, 22,290 feet), adjoining Shilla, as the highest in Spiti and all Himachal Pradesh. ". Pincrete (talk) 14:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]