Talk:Al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh

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On 26 June 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Shaykh al-Mahmudi to Al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 26 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 09:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shaykh al-Mahmudi → Al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh – The most common version of his name used in English sources seems to be "al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh" (or just "al-Muayyad" but this would be ambiguous on its own). This is similar to other Mamluk sultan articles where the common designation is often a combination of their name and royal title (e.g. Al-Mansur Qalawun, Al-Nasir Muhammad, al-Ashraf Khalil). Here's a quick look at published sources:
"Al-Mu'ayyad" or "al-Mu'ayyad Shaykh" is used in the Encyclopedia of Islam 2 and 3 (access is restricted but see "al-Muayyad Shaykh" in second edition or "Circassians, Mamlūk" entry in third edition), in the "Egypt, Islamic" entry in Oxford's Dynasties of the World (2 ed., 2014), and in many articles like Irwin 1986 ("Factions in Medieval Egypt"), Levanoni 1994 ("The Mamluk Conception of the Sultanate"), Çetin 2009 ("Oghuz Turks in the Account of a Mamluk Historian"), and Wing 2014 ("Indian Ocean Trade and Sultanic Authority: The nāẓir of Jedda and the Mamluk Political Economy").
It's also used without exception in all architecture-related references (e.g. Behrens-Abouseif's 2007 Cairo of the Mamluks; Blair & Bloom's 1995 The Art and Architecture of Islam 1250-1800; Williams's Islamic Monuments in Cairo: The Practical Guide; O'Kane's 2016 The Mosques of Egypt; and relevant entries in the Grove Encyclopedia of Islamic Art and Architecture), which is why the new name would also be consistent with the names of existing pages Mosque of Sultan al-Muayyad and Maristan of al-Mu'ayyad.
You can still find English books using "Shaykh al-Mahmudi", especially when they talk about him before he became sultan, or sometimes mentioned in parenthesis along with his royal name (e.g. 1, 2, 3). So it's not categorical, but on balance readers are more likely to come across al-Muayyad (Shaykh) elsewhere, so that should be reflected here as per WP:COMMONNAME. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 17:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. Melmann 19:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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