Talk:Diamond League Shanghai

A funny feeling

Could you check it, please?

There is no date about the fact that anyone competed in the 4x100 m relay. Also, Shanghai Golden Grand Prix began in 2005. So, there shouldn't be any date about the record of women's 800 metre in 1997. Think about it, please.--Degueulasse (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have thought about it. 4x100m relay: Shanghai Golden Grand Prix 2008 Results Montell 74 (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the meet startet before 2005. It has just it's name since 2005. Look at the 800 meet result from 2010 and it's declared meeting record: Women's 800 Metres 2010 What do you think about it?Montell 74 (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is athletes biograpy for IAAF. Most athletes are recorded on this file, but despite an athlete marking a meeting record, there is no name about "Zou Sheng" and "Iang Ying Lai", "Jiang Haixia". Secondly, this is "Women's 800 Metres All Time top list", there is no date about rapid time of "1:57.00" and the name of "Iang Ying Lai". I also look that 4x100 m relay's time is rather slow.

With all things considered, it's natural to think that the records of M 1000 m, M & W 4x100 m relay, W 800 m, W 1000 m are not as "Golden Grand Prix". These events do not make an announcement to be officially included. Liu Xiang to ensure full-house for Shanghai Golden Grand Prix - PREVIEW (2006)

So I think that these records shouldn't be listed.--Degueulasse (talk) 00:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. IAAF biography statistic is incomplete. Moreover maybe the 800m time is just recognised by the meet itself or by chinese federation but not IAAF. So it won't be listed in IAAF top list. W 800m is run the last years. To have a comparison this time is needed. Let's wait til it's broken. Also the other distances. A lot of meets have events not annual. But uncommon distances like 1000m are more often in program because of chance for record races.Montell 74 (talk) 11:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. You said, "maybe" and "the meet startet before 2005". Is it original research? This citation needs sources, but it has not been enough to clear the Verifiability. We shouldn't strike a wrong note. At least, 1997 meeting cannot clear the Verifiability. Shanghai Golden Grand Prix started since 2005. DL-shanghai website speaks for itself. We cannot understand why Shggp do something, but the fact is only that Shanghai Golden Grand Prix started since 2005 and 1000 m didn't adopt as Grand Prix events. Check it out to IAAF (2006) and IAAF (2008), they speak for themselves.--Degueulasse (talk) 07:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's difficult to get more information about it. The 800m record was set during the 8th National Games of the People's Republic of China in Shanghai, so we can say that it is not a meet record, but stadium record. I will research the best 800m time since 2005! So let's make it clear in the article, that inaugural edition was 2005!

1000m: The point is, that not every event held at a prand prix is adopt as a grand prix event, but in fact it is an athletics event which best result is a record of the meet.Montell 74 (talk) 08:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for everything. I confirmed the 2006 date (by Shggp) how things were going. For example, 100m Men and 400m Men had two races. One was race featuring top athletes, the other was only Chinese athletes. 4x100 m relay in 2006 and 1000m Men and Women in 2008 were, too. In addition to these, with IAAF (2006) and IAAF (2008), if you can think so, I would suggest that these records won't be listed?--Degueulasse (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can clear the 1:57 situation somewhat, I think. The time of 1:57 from 22 October 1997 does exist, but it wasn't a 1:57.00, wasn't run by a "Iang Ying Lai" and the meet wasn't any kind of early Shanghai Grand Prix. How any of those details ended up at their official website is a complete mystery.

Anyhow, the real time was 1:57.62, and was achieved by Lang Yinglai at the 1997 edition of the Chinese National Games (in Shanghai). At least the date really was 22.10.1997 – they got one detail right, go them! It's probably the stadium record or something. Sideways713 (talk) 08:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The continuation of the records across competitions may be a bit of a reflection of the nature of the meet. Given China's state capitalist model, I would guess that there are no independent meet organisers, but rather that all events are run directly through the Athletic Federation in some way – thus a rather more unified approach to both the meet and record history. For our own purposes, it is probably helpful to analyse this meet in its current form, from its 2005 history onwards. SFB 19:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]