Talk:San Antonio/Archive 1

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just to start this article... I don't actually know that much about San Antonio, other than living up I-35 from it for all of my life. Please -- someone else add some more meaningful stuff. -- saracarl

Origin of the name?

The article mentions that San Antonio was named after St.Anthony the Great. Is that true? I always thought that it was named after St.Anthony of Padua... --thomasgraz 16:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)' I thought the city was named after Saint Antonio--Andrewcool 08:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

It is named after St. Anthony of Padua.

Miscellaneous

About half way down the page, under the "People and culture" section, it is says that Karl Rove lives (or owns a home) in The Dominion. I belive this to be incorrect. I did not remove the statement because I am not 100%, but encourage the author to double check his/her inforamtion. 24.173.63.215 01 Nov 2005

San Antonio metro is almost 2 million, wow this city has grown. — 208.188.153.193 16 Dec 2004

Still a great place to live! — 64.213.156.2 8 Mar 2005

The avg income for san antionio doesn't sound right.--Andrewcool 02:41, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When discussing the services in downtown San Antonio it might be helpful to mention the Alamo City Amigos that assist visitors to the city. It is funded by a property tax for a downtown development district. There are 3 areas involved in the program. They are the Ambassadors who assist visitors in finding their way around downtown, the Maintenance who sweep and power-wash the sidewalks, empty trash cans, do graffiti abatement and weed removal from adjacent areas, and the Streetscapers who care for more than 600 plants in the area. There is an operation center that contacts the police or fire department in case of emergency in the zone, advises the city about problems with infrastructure and maintains a log of the daily requests and assists visitors that drop by the office. The program was started on January 26,2000. There are currently 36 employees on the Amigo staff. The governing board is Centro San Antonio.

Images

I'm afraid most of the images on this page do not have licensing compatible with Wikipedia. Please see this Signpost article for further explanation. Kaldari 7 July 2005 00:08 (UTC)

Im in the process of contacting the copyright holder of those images to gain the necessary permission.--Zereshk 22:03, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

• If that is the case, we should wait unitl Zereshk heres form the source on way or another. -JCarriker 22:09, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

Just give me a couple of days. I should be hearing from them one way or the other.--Zereshk 22:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

OK. They will only allow it for non-commercial purposes.--Zereshk 23:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

That means they have to be deleted - see Signpost article. Sorry - I know you've worked hard on this article. Manning 02:07, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

What subject matter did we lose? The only one I saw deleted from the main article was the Riverwalk at Christmas. I'm in SA, and have a digital camera, and could easily run around downtown some afternoon snapping a few more pics. I'm no professional, and so would have no qualms about dropping any pics I take into PD. I obviously can't get a shot of the Riverwalk at Christmas for a few more months, but I could get some others. What other shots of San Antonio do we need/want? TexasAndroid 18:37, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Riverwalk shot is the only one I personally deleted. I don't see why a shot of the Riverwalk at Christmas is specifically necessary. (It's lovely all the time anyway.) Cheers Manning 22:06, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

If you do have a digital cam and are in the SA vicinity, then you could do San Antonians a favor and take some nice pics, and put them on this page to show to the world. To get an idea of what we're looking for, see Houston for comparison.--Zereshk 09:58, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Some shots that I'm thinking would be nice include:

Rivercenter mall, from down the riverwalk a bit.

The Texas Eagle train.

One or two other shots of Brakenridge park

SBC Center exterior (for the SBC Center page)

The Torch of Friendship

La Villita

Giant Boots outside Northstar Mall

Suggestions of other nice pics are welcome (and encouraged). TexasAndroid 22:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Some closeup shots of downtown and the SA skyline. Things like the samples below:

File:Bayou Place Houston.JPG

File:Houston Panoramic.jpg

--Zereshk 23:39, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok. So a nice Skyline or two is wanted. Very well. Also, cataloging the ones we just lost from the main page:

One Image of the Tower (Don't remember exactly how it looked.)

Botanical Gandens

Colorful Riverwalk from one of the bridges

Bexar County Courthouse

Alamodome

Mission San Jose

Another of the Riverwalk (Don't remember exactly how it looked.)

TexasAndroid 19:33, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

As soon as I'm set up, I can get those pictures available by next week.Dknights411 17:06, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

Took my kid to the zoo over the weekend, and snapped several shots of the Texas Eagle while there. Not sure how they'll turn out, but if they're nice enough, that one is covered. TexasAndroid 11:16, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

First Modern Art Museum of TX

Someone questioned the fact that the McNay Museum is the first Modern Art Museum in TX. See p41 of the SA Travel Guide Brochure to verify: [1]

--Zereshk 22:46, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the sentence had said that the McNay was the first art museum in Texas (it said nothing about genre). — Mateo SA | talk 16:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

8th largest is correct

The city of SA is now larger than Dallas. It is thus the 8th largest in US. Not 9th, making it the 2nd in TX. But the metro is #3. [2] [3] [4] --Zereshk 23:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am quite aware that San Antonio is now the second-largest city within the state of Texas and eighth in the United States as of the July 1, 2003 U.S. Census estimates. I rewrote the introduction recently to reflect the official (non-estimate) 2000 U.S. Census figure. I also made a minor formatting of the article to make it look better, especially at the introduction. UH Collegian 00:14, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

I didnt delete or change your edits, just updated the population estimates to the 2004 Census Bureau figures.--Zereshk 00:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

One problem is that, as the page currently read, it's incorrect. It says SA was 8th according to 2000 figures. We were still 9th by the 2000 figures. Either it needs to stay saying 9th, or it needs to say correctly where the "8th" stat comes from (2004 figures). TexasAndroid 15:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

fixed.--Zereshk 21:29, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

If UHC continues deleting factual information from the SA page, I will place a POV tag on this page.--Nightryder84 20:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Someone keeps changing the Metro population back to the 2004 estimate. There is now a 2005 official estimate of 1,889,797 by the US census bureau for the 8 county metro area. This is accurate so it should be left as is.

The population numbers in the infobox are supposed to be the 2004 numbers; until the infobox template is updated, the following notation in the body of the article is sufficient.... "The 2005 U.S. Census estimate for the eight-county (Atascosa, Bandera, Bexar, Comal, Guadalupe, Kendall, Medina, and Wilson Counties) San Antonio metro area placed its population at 1,889,797. [5]" Clipper471 02:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Opinion quibbling

Not an actual complaint, but I have to laugh with and agree with the "'the' place" remark in regards to the Bonham. --_Alex¯^Jon 05:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Notables section is becoming too large

I propose that the "SA notables" section be moved to an independent page on its own, inorder to both preserve its list from future trims (due to eclipsing and overshadowing of the main SA article) and to also maintain the suitable proportion for the San Antonio page. (the section is starting to overshadow the main SA article).

We can then provide a "See main article: Notables of San Antonio, Texas" link from the section on the SA page to the new page.

Agree?--Zereshk 21:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

No arguement from this corner. I'm all for it! Dknights411 06:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I've been thinking of doing the same with the Districts section. That one is at least 25% of the text in the article. WOuld make a nice separate article. - TexasAndroid 12:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Micromanagement

Agreeing with the above about making separate pages, I propse that, seeing as San Antonio is growing at a pace comparable to its own wikipage, we go _THE DISTANCE_. Meaning, adding in the various neighborhoods (separated, obviously, by district), a more in-depth transportation section, cultural and historical elaboration (can/will do if necessary), and various other things of the sort. The city is 400+ sq. mi., so a page that has fewer words than some articles on flowers just won't do.

Hereby proposed:

• Transportation
  • More highway info, taking into account the current 5-year plan to take truck traffic from the interior highways, and new propsed freeways
  • A neutral elaboration on the bus system, and the unmentioned river taxi (and proposals on its expansion)
• City Districts
  • Neighborhood listings, with landmarks (main school, fire/police substations), etc
  • EXAMPLE: SNAKE HILL/GOVERNMENT HILL (District 2) - Served by SAISD (Pershing Elem., Wheatley Mid., Fox Tech High)
• Architecture
  • OBVIOUSLY, this is a VERY underwhelming part of San Antonio's wikiarticle. Many styles are in SA, from the Alamo and the Spanish Governor's Palace, to the very art deco E. Houston Street drag.

Any other ideas? Hit me up here AND in my own discussion page. TA, --_Alex¯^Jon 02:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think you need to propose adding missing info. Just add it into the article, and we will keep enriching things as we go along. However re-adding back in the neighborhoods wasnt a good idea. It clutters up the page needlessly while there is other information still in need of being written about SA. Not to mention that it is uncourteous in ignoring the majority that voted here. Im adding in 2 or 3 pics I just took.--Zereshk 10:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Though i don't really have a strong opinion on the old Neighborhood data being readded, I can see the logic. It was moved to it's own article because it had become huge. It had become huge because of the copyright data that had been added. With all that copyright data removed, the section is back to a much more reasonable size. So I don't have a huge problem with it returning. The one problem I see with it's return is that we now have the exact same data in the SA article section, and in the separate SA neighborhood article. This duplication is going to cause trouble at some point down the line. - TexasAndroid 19:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should take up the job of paraphrasing the old copyright stuff (and providing source of course) to restore the independent page's length?--Zereshk 00:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Y'all: I added some pics Ive been taking in the past week. This should give the article a good facelift.--Zereshk 00:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

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I just went biking in town today, took some photos, and uploaded them, and created 3 pages along the way:

• Bexar County Courthouse
• San Antonio Convention Center
• San Antonio Public Library

The page looks pretty beefed up now I'd say. Go Spurs! :) --Zereshk 06:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Districts up for deletion

As per my concerns in the Micromanagement section above, I've been concerned by having the same data in the Districts section of the San Antonio article, and in the separate Districts sub-article. To deal with this duplication, I have just now placed the sub-article up for AFD. If you have interest in the fate of this San Antonio sub-article either way, please come and join in the discussion/vote. - TexasAndroid 16:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Image mess up

User:D Marc has replaced the safe Image:Downtown-san-antonio.jpeg with a non-safe (unsourced) image of San Antonio Image:Saskyline.jpg, which means it will soon be deleted, and we wont have any image at all of San Antonio's cityscape.

Someone please address the problem.--Zereshk 22:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Revert back to the safe one and explain on edit summary. RJN 22:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The NHL?!?

Somebody put up that the Pittsburgh Penguins are considering a move to San Antonio. I just want to know where did THAT come from?Dknights411 02:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

If not imaginary, I would guess it might be a rumor in the Pittsburgh media. That's total speculation on my part. - TexasAndroid 12:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Should we delete it then?Dknights411 16:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I would say delete it with a comment requesting sourcing. If the originator wants to put it back in, and is able to back themselves up with sources for the information/rumor, then we have a different situation and will need to reconsider. - TexasAndroid 16:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Looking at it a little more, I suspect my initial evaluation was correct. Looking at the Pittsburgh Penguins page, in the next to last paragraph of the history section, it talks about the team having money problems, looking to build an arena, and lists rumored cities to which the team could move if the arena deal does not happen. The same anon who added the comment to the SA page added SA to the list of rumored cities.

I really have to wonder about even the possibility of such a move to here. Other than the AT&T center, or *maybe* the Alamodome, we do not have an arena that could handle them. The AT&T is locked up between the Spurs and Rampage. And I would be very surprised if the Alamodome was suitable. And we are so much not a hockey town, I can't imagine any sort of tax package passing to build a new arena for them. - TexasAndroid 17:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I live in SA too, and do you remember what happened to the Iguanas (a very popular minor league hockey team) when the Dragons (a higher-level minor league team) came to town? The city ran the Iguanas out to make room for the Dragons. I'm pretty sure that if the Penguins (or any NHL team) really wanted to come here, the city would neatly "arrange" the exit of the Rampage to make room in the AT&T Center.Crazed actor 19:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The AT&T Center is NOT a hockey arena. The compact arrangement if the seating bowl is perfect for basketball, but is really bad for hockey. There's absolutley no way an NHL hockey team or NHL hockey fans would be satisfied with that arena (see America West Arena in Phoenix). IF the NHL is to thrive at all in San Antonio, the Alamodome seems to be the only option, and even THAT's iffy (not enough luxury boxes).

I agree the AT&T center isn't suitable for hockey. I was just trying to make the point that the Rampage would never be an obstacle; the city would drop them in a heartbeat if it meant bringing in the NHL. As for the luxury box issue at the Dome, the mayor seems intent on renovating it to bring in an NFL team, and one of the top priorities will be more luxury boxes.12.18.80.40 22:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Sega has HQ's here?

I tried verifying this info and couldn't find it. According to the sega site found here[6] they are based in San Francisco. Maybe the editor just got confused. Csyberblue 09:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

What happened to "Districts"?

Hello; I am writing because I am concerned about what happened to the former "Districts and communities" section, now known as "Zones - Districts - Communities." (To begin with, the new title is no good; it shouldn't have dashes.) I overhauled this section a couple of months ago and thought it was pretty good and accurate...now the only parts from my edit that remain somewhat intact are about China Grove, Windcrest, West Side, and East Side. Whoever redid the section threw in a bunch of TOTALLY FABRICATED NAMES like NoDo, SoSo, Midtown, Uptown, Uptown Broadway, Great Northwest, etc., including nonexistent "districts" downtown. These may be valid names in New York City, but those familiar with San Antonio never refer to parts of our city as such. In addition, there are all these one-line paragraphs that are choppy and aesthetically displeasing.

With regard to his "celebrity map," we do not need these lists of Spurs players and minor celebrities to describe the districts. I wrote "Notables of San Antonio" and then we agreed to relegate celebrities to that page because the main page was getting too listy. By the way, can anyone verify that Thomas Gibson, Jim Carrey, and Joe Horn live in San Antonio? If they do, it's news to me. And Tommy Lee Jones lives in Terrell Hills, not Alamo Heights.

• I don't know if Jim Carrey and Joe Horn live here, but Thomas Gibson (of "Dharma & Greg" fame) definitely has moved to the San Antonio area. Jeanne Jakle's mentioned this in her column a number of times, most recently when his new series (what's the name of it? it's a CBS drama) got picked up and she was, all like, rah rah go Thomas like how she is with anyone connected with S.A. who makes it in Hollywood. Carrey might have lived here temporarily while filming some of Ace Ventura 2, though; the scenes that were set in Africa were filmed just outside of S.A. on a nature preserve and so everyone connected with that film must have temporarily set up shop here. Though if Carrey was won over enough to actually move to S.A., I think Jakle would have leapt up and announced it with big bold letters, so I'm thinking he's not got a permanent address here. Krushsister 03:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested please review the "Zones - Districts - Communities" section and, if you agree with me, let's talk about changing it. Thanks.–Clpalmore 00:22, 10 Feb 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "Great Northwest" is the valid name for the neighborhood (a bunch of subdivisions) near Culebra and 1604, extending north toward the Medical Center (I used to live there). And "SoSo", or "South of Southtown," really is the name being frantically pushed (signs posted all over) by the people in that area. But you're right, no one else seems to be using it, nor are many people using "Southtown" for that matter, even though the city has given the area that official designation.Crazed actor 19:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

* I'm here to verify Crazed actor's assertion that there IS a neighborhood called the Great Northwest. It's demarcated on the Mapsco (formerly Ferguson's) maps of S.A. and is listed as one of the neighborhoods included in the "West/Northwest" Neighbrhoods section of Wednesday's edition of the Express-News. (FYI, I live in the Medical Center area.) Also, a bit OT: Would all the little "terrace" neighborhoods constitute actual neighborhood names? Like, I used to live in Oak Hills Terrace (the neighborhood with all those celebrity street names), and before that I lived in Monte Vista Terrace (not quite as ritzy as its name would suggest; it was actually an extension of Los Angeles Heights that was cut off from that neighborhood by I-10). Krushsister 03:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Great Northwest Interchange

Someone said the Great Northwest Interchange at I-10 and 1604 is "one of the largest in Texas." That is not correct. It is a basic clover leaf that I have the pleasure of sitting still in during rush hour.  :( I have also never heard that name used. Perhaps this is referring to the interchange nearing completion at I-10 and Loop 410? It is a nice interchange but has nothing on some of the monsters in Houston and DFW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.206.100.245 (talk • contribs)

Agreed. They must be referring to the ongoing project at I10/410. I share your daily commute/crawl through I10/1604 - and it is a fairly basic, somewhat poorly thought out cloverleaf. Since I'm not absolutely sure what "great northwest interchange" is supposed to reference, it is probably best to simply remove it. Kuru ^talk 18:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Whiiiiiich you already did.  :) Kuru ^talk 18:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Baseball relocation

Given that the whole issue appears to be dead, for now at least, does anyone object to me simply removing the section? I don't see it as very important, historically, given that nothing has come from it. I'll not act until Monday at the earliest, to give chance for people to object, but I'm inclined to just remove the section. - TexasAndroid 13:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

no objections from me Clipper471 14:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

ditto, no objections; just a footnote in the history books now. Kuru ^talk 23:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Flag design

Hey, I just changed the graphic for the flag and was wondering about the design on the flag. Does anyone know if the flag is should read "SAN ANTONIO" on it? In my 1990 version of World Book The flag is depicted with text. Also I colored in the Alamo graphic in the center like it was in my old World Book. Should it be colored in, or is it white now days?

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Your 1990 encyclopedia is correct, however the official flag for the City of San Antonio does not currently have the words "San Antonio, Texas" on it. The words were removed from the original 1935 design in 1992 when the North American Vexillological Association held their convention there and informed the city that it is no longer appropriate to have words on a flag.[7]

Also, and the Alamo image on the flag is white and should be corrected. IceBRG 22:13, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Population ranking

Clipper,

The info about San Antonio being the 7th city in the US should be in the first paragraph of the intro. If you look at ALL of the other top 10 cities in the US, their population ranking info appears in the first paragraph, if not the first sentence of the article. I dont know why we should be any different. Verify yourself. This information is more important the other things youve put in the leading intro.--Zereshk 06:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Economy: Rackspace Managed Hosting?

This was added today by 67.11.159.146. The company appears to be growing and successful in their niche, but they are fairly small and apparently privately held. I question whether they should be included with the other major players in this section; there are certainly other larger and more well-known SA-based companies that I'd add first. To me, the inclusion of Rackspace reeks of spam. --JFreeman 03:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what prompted the addition of Rackspace, nor do I know their size. But perhaps they received more attention lately due to the Lowe's data center that was just announced for Westover Hills? I remember reading a blurb about Rackspace from that report in the SAEN. [8] [9] Another story ran in the SABJ [10] and SAEN [11] [12] about it being named one of the 50 Best Small & Medium Companies to Work For in America. [13] Clipper471 03:24, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Relativizing Spanish-speaking majority?

"58% of the population is of Hispanic origin and could be of any race."

I clearly think that this sentence is relativizing the Spanish-speaking majority of San Antonio. -- IMRE 14:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Trinity logo

Is anyone else having problems with the Trinity logo? I cannot see it, and I cannot link to the picture. Clipper471 03:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

No problems here. Perhaps it was a problem with the server the picture was hosted on. Seems to have cleared up now though. --Brownings 16:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

San Antone

Am I right in thinking that "San Antone", often heard in country music and the like, means San Antonio? If so, perhaps a redirect and a mention in the article of this fact and the background behind it would be good? -- (the ignorant Aussie) Russell E 06:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I do believe so. I, as a newly-minted San Antonian, can attest to the fact that most San Antonio citizens don't much care for that corruption of their fair city's name. E. Sn0 =31337= 16:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in San Antonio for well over a decade, and never seen anyone having a problem with it being referred to as "San Antone". Doesn't mean there are nto people who are bothered by it, just my observation. I suspect that it is not so much a corruption, as yet another language's way of saying Saint Anthony, which would be the way to say it in English. What the other language where "San Antone" originates from, I have no idea, though I'm running Google searches to try to figure it out. Antonio is definitely the Spanish version, which I was pretty sure was the case. Baby name list show that Antone is definitely a different-language version of Anthony/Antonio, but I have not yet figured out which language. More to come... - TexasAndroid 16:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[14] - Here's a link to the San Antonio Conservation society page. At the bottom they are pretty down on the San Antone version of the name. So there is definitely some dislike. :) - TexasAndroid 16:38, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

And no luck with Google finding the linguistic origin of Antone. All three trace back to Latin, but cannot figure out which, if any, specific language "Antone" belongs to. - TexasAndroid 16:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It's probably just a lazy abbreviation of "San Antonio" leaving off the "io". "St. Anthony" doesn't sound like "San Antone" in any Latin-based language I'm familiar with (French, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian). But like it or not many people outside the United States only know San Antonio from Westerns and country music; the city is virtually unknown otherwise outside the US (except perhaps to basketball fans). Before reading this article I wouldn't have guessed it was in the top 1,000 most populous American cities, let alone No. 7. I thought it was like Deadwood or Dodge City - tiny and only historically important. --70.72.19.133 00:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

ROFL!! Oh it's very much a lively city here. People are very nice as well. :) E. Sn0 =31337= 07:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not just a Lazy Abbreviation. On most every list of baby names I came across while trying to find the origin of the word, Antone is right there in the list of alternate versions of Anthony/Antonio. I still have no idea where the word came from, but it certainly appears to be a legitimate alternate form of Antonio. Do note that I'm not saying anything pro/con about the widespread usage of "San Antone". It doesn't bother me that much, but I can definitely now see that it bothers some San Antonio residents.

As for being the 7th largest city in the US, this is true, but somewhat needs a footnote to understand why we don't get the respect of a Dallas or San Diego. San Antonio itself may be the 7th largest city in the US. But the San Antonio metro area is much further down the list when compared to other metro areas. Dallas itself, for instance, is smaller than San Antonio. But when you consider the metro area around Dallas, the Dallas metro area is much larger than the San Antonio metro area. So, while San Antonians take a bit of pride in the 7th figure, it's not really as signifigant as it might seem at first glance. - TexasAndroid 13:20, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

True enough. But I'd also point out that metro areas themselves are somewhat arbitrarily defined. The largest U.S. metro area, the "New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA Metropolitan Statistical Area", extends about 180 miles from Pike County, PA, through Suffolk County (Long Island), NY. The Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington metro area extends more than 150 miles and includes the largely rural Delta County. If the urban/suburban corridor making up the San Antonio and Austin-Round Rock metro areas were combined (something the bureaucrats may do so after the next census), the population of the resulting metro area would be about 3.3 million -- well into the top 20 nationally. The city vs. metro population argument just reminds me of the old truism: there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. --JFreeman ^(talk) 16:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Midtown/North Central

Does anybody refer to the Monte Vista/SAC/Trinity area as "Midtown"? I've lived in this neighborhood for my entire life, and I've never before heard this term. If there are no objections, I propose renaming it to "Near North Central" or some such.

Education

in the colleges and universities section, the wayland baptist university extension campus is not mentioned. Although its main campus is located in plainview texas. The extension in San Antonio has a larger enrollment. So should it be added

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus, see Talk:Houston, Texas#Requested move. Duja 07:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

1. Houston, Texas → Houston
2. San Antonio, Texas → San Antonio
3. Dallas, Texas → Dallas

Like Chicago, New York City, and Philadelphia, the three largest and most famous cities in Texas certainly don't need to be disambiguated by state, and using the city name only (without , Texas) in each is consistent with WP:NC(CN), and consistent with the Wikipedia convention used for almost all other large cities in the world. In each case, the name alone page redirects to the city article, so there are no ambiguity issues.

DO NOT VOTE HERE. Please vote on whether you support or oppose all three moves at Talk:Houston, Texas#Requested move --Serge 19:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

King of San Antonio

Is there a King of San Antonio? I remember there was somebody with a title of something like king, and its still passed on.--Andrewcool 04:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There's Rey Feo (sp?, Ugly King) each year during Fiesta, but I suspect that's not what you are referring to. :) Beyond that, not sure. - TexasAndroid 13:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably "King Antonio", named from the ranks of the Texas Cavaliers [15]. --JFreeman ^(talk) 15:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

First I've heard of a King of San Antonio. The only king I've ever heard of associated with the city is Rey Feo (yes, Android that's the right spelling) in Fiesta. Who knows though, there might be a King of SA, but it's obviously not that well. On second thought, I have heard of another "king," the Rib King of San Antonio, Randy Goss (owner of County Line). He's used that slogan often in ads over the years. --Brownings 16:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada.

This proposal would allow for this article to be located at San Antonio instead of San Antonio, Texas, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 18:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Capital?

Just a short while ago I saw someone add information stating that SA will be designated Texas's Capital in FY2008-2009. My opinion is this is in desparate need of a citation. Thank you  E. Sn0 =31337= ^{Talk to me :D} 22:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

That would be big news around Austin and San Antonio if it were true. I found nothing whatsoever to back it up, so I removed the reference from the article. If the original author cares to provide something substantive to support the information, they're welcome to resubmit it. --JFreeman ^(talk) 23:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I figured it was someone being silly.  E. Sn0 =31337= ^{Talk to me :D} 23:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Change to the San Antonio template

User drumguy8800 has proposed the San Antonio template (found at the bottom of most San Antonio pages) be changed for better organization. I've come up with an idea for a new format, based on the State Template, which can be seen on San Antonio template's talk page. If you have an opinion on the changes, please reply on the template's talk page, since the main discussion will occur there. I'm making this post to get the word out and request input, rather than any change going through and the majority of people who work on San Antonio articles not knowing about it till it was too late. --Brownings 13:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

ATTN: 141.157.108.19

While I will completely agree with your characterizations of the tabloid and propagandistic nature of San Antonio's newscasts, I strongly and humbly suggest you find sources for these assertions. Please read Wikipedia Policy: No Original Research. Thank you. :)  E. Sn0 =31337= ^Talk 01:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)