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Fake data deleted

I have deletted the following sentence:

Thousands of people were killed and hundreds of houses were burnt.

This is a myth of the Black Legend tipical of the XVI century Dutch propaganda. We are now in 2005 and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.

Fake data deleted

-I think the drawing of the bodies piled up near the Kipdorpgate is a scene from the French Fury (1583), not the Spanish Fury. It refers to "francoijsen" = Frenchmen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.121.180.65 (talk) 12:24, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Spanish Fury was one of a series of events which led to the downfall of Spain's Golden Age.

The Spanish Fury was not a cause of the Spanish decadence in Holland, but a good point for the Black Legend.

Is Henry Kamen impartial?

In the article the number of victims is said to be 8.000, and Henry Kamen is quoted. I am Spanish, and I would like to say that in Spain Mr. Kamen is considereed by some historians as a not impartial historian. In fact, many of his quotes are put in doubt by Spanish historians. Somebody called him The first anti-Spanish Hispanist.

Also his articles about the Spanish Civil War were much critized. In fact, Arturo Pérez-Reverte, member of the Real Academia Española has attacked Kamen´s work in a hard way in a public article. His attack was based, among other things in the lack of credibility of Kamen´s sources.

Despite I admit to have not much knowledge about the Spanish Fury it seems that 8.000 people killed in three days using weapons from 16th century, are too many people. Even the Nazis did not reach such number of murderings in many cities stormed by them. Calculín

Long-term effects on Antwerp

Didn't this sack lead to Antwerp's decline from the "economic, financial and cultural" center of the Netherlands and pave the way for Amsterdam's rise? Brutannica 18:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Military history project/ Dutch task force

I've added this article to the Dutch task force of the Military History project. I know that Antwerp is in Belgium now, but I understand that, at the time in question, it was in one of the precursor states of modern Netherlands (that pre-dated Belgium). This would qualify its inclusion in the Dutch task force, there is no equivalent task force for Belgium. Folks at 137 (talk) 18:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Number of people killed in the sack?

Jonathan Israel suggests in The Dutch Republic that the number of people slaughtered, murdered, or otherwise killed during the Sack of Antwerp was probably much lower than the thousands often claimed. He does not give specific numbers himself, I admit, but says "[...]probably only a few hundred people were actually murdered" (The Dutch Republic, pg. 185), citing (and it's hard to figure out which book exactly) Antwerp, by 'Voet', pgs. 202-3.

He does go on to say that contemporary reports claimed "as many as 18,000 citizens of Antwerp were slaughtered" (pg. 185, again), although he suggests that these numbers may have been inflated by pro-Revolt propagandists. Either way, the 7,000 currently stated in the article proper would be far from certain and should not be taken as absolute truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.75.205 (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]