Talk:Greater Region of SaarLorLux
Greater Region of SaarLorLux was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | |||||||||||||
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Importance
[edit]I changed importance to high, because Google showed 387.000 results for sar lor lux and this term is known in several countries. --Thw1309 10:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe. Currently, WikiProject Luxembourg assesses 'Greater Region' as a High-importance article. With the creation of this article, I'd suggest that that one loses importance, whilst this one replaces it in many respects. So I would tend to agree with regards to WikiProject Luxembourg. Can't say for the other WikiProjects, though; it's best left to them. Bastin 18:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Cooperation v. Cooperative?
[edit]Does 'Cooperation' have an European Union specific meaning? I think the word 'wikt:cooperative' might be better. Gosgood (talk) 00:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Good Article review
[edit]Final Comments
[edit]- Commencing: 2008-01-19
- Completed: 2008-01-27
- Nominator: Thw1309
- Reviewer: Gosgood
- First pass based on: Revision 185460170 (as edited by Thw1309 (talk | contribs) at 13:48, 19 January 2008.)
- Second pass based on: Revision 185649882 (as edited by Thw1309 (talk | contribs) at 11:03, 20 January 2008.)
- Third pass based on: Revision 185869818 (as edited by Gosgood (talk | contribs) at 10:12, 21 January 2008.)
- Final pass based on: Revision 187293780 (as edited by Chris the speller (talk | contribs) at 14:35, 27 January 2008)
- Criteria: Revision 184300095 as of 14:32, 14 January 2008
Outcome: Fail.
In any case, I commend Thw1309 for greatly improving the article over the originally nominated version. He transformed the many parts of the article from a stilted, list-like form, to a sound narrative and introduced new material as well. The real gain, I think, is that the article is now a very solid B, where the nominated version still had aspects of a Start class article.
The facets of this article that I think need improving are:
- Prose:
- There are a number of awkwardly phrased passages. Examples:
- When this empire was divided in three parts after the death of Louis the Pious, in 840, the Carolingians adhered to the Germanic custom of partible inheritance, and the Treaty of Verdun in 843 divided the empire into three.
- Problems not only result from the real differences but also from the missing knowledge of the existing competence of the partners.
- Scattered misspellings:
- "For excample, besides Wallonie..."
- "The eight summit..."
- There are a number of awkwardly phrased passages. Examples:
- Apparent, or inadvertent Original Research in some of the new material. The writer is native to Saarland, and what seems to be personal evaluations slip into the writing. Examples:
- Although politics create promising programs, their progress is limited. Mainly they create symbols as the "house of the Greater region", which is almost empty, or diplomas with the sign of SaarLorLux. The only real advancement, local politics can create, is the improvement of knowledge of the other language by creating bilingual schools.[67] This reads like the editor's interpretation; it would be better attributed to the author of the cited work, Katharina Hassler.
- Clubs and single persons are looking for cooperations with like-minded people on the other sides of the border. They discover, that they actually share the same roots. Although the borders created many differences, especially the language, people discover, that for centuries, they had a history in common, which still is present in many aspects on all sides of the borders. Many of these cooperations or associations have to stay on an informal level, because it is very difficult to create legal structures of cooperation as long as the legal systems in most parts are not compatible. In a certain way, this is compensated by the possibility to use the advantages of differnt natiolal systems. Things, which are impossible on one side of the border, are supported by the other state. It is not clear to me where the antecedent to this analysis resides in the references.
- The section Governmental Cooperations is list-like, and not summary prose; I feel the material here can be telescoped into summary descriptions giving rise to a terser, easier-to-read section.
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1. It is well written. In this respect | Disagree | |
(a) the prose is clear and the grammar is correct; and |
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(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, jargon, words to avoid, fiction, and list incorporation. | Neutral
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2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect, it: | ||
(a) provides references to all sources of information, and at minimum contains a section dedicated to the attribution of those sources in accordance with the guide to layout; | Agree The writer conscientously grounds much of the article on English, German, and French sources from the EU and regional news sources. These all appear to have editorial oversight. | |
(b) at minimum, provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons;[2] and |
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(c) contains no original research. | Agree The prose closely paraphrases and summarizes the references, to the extent that the arc of narrative of the article suffers somewwhat, (See below). | |
3. It is broad in its coverage. In this respect, it: | ||
(a) addresses the major aspects of the topic; and | Agree The scope of the article is to characterize the nature of the cross-border cooperative, along with some of the major variations of its operation. I believe the article mainly sticks to this program. | |
(b) stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details (see summary style). | I think the history section reaches too far back in time; Thw1309 feels that the history lends insight into how the cultures around the border participate in the cooperative. This is difference in opinion on content, and I concede that Thw1309 has a better sense of scope on this topic than I do. | |
4. It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias. | Agree The writing is formal and neutral. Problems concerning running a cross-border organization are reported in a matter-of-fact way. | |
5. It is stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war. Vandalism reversions, proposals to split or merge content, and improvements based on reviewers' suggestions do not apply. | Neutral The article is currently undergoing change, some prompted by initial review comments, some as a part of regular article maintenance; as a consequence, I cannot vet for article stability. However, the change is orderly; there is no edit war taking place. The article is mainly evolving along the lines the principle writer has chosen. At present, a new section has appeared at the end of the article which, I believe will be completed soon. | |
6. It is illustrated, where possible and appropriate, by images. In this respect: | ||
(a) all images used are tagged with their copyright status, and fair use rationales are provided for any non-free content; and | Agree
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(b) the images are appropriate to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Agree
Comment: I do not think Image:Vhbabansicht.jpg, "The steelwork of Völklingen", Image:Saarbruecken-campus.jpg "Saar University" or Image:Luxembourg City Kirchberg1 fromBock.jpg "Buildings of the European Community on the Kirchberg (Church mountain) at Luxembourg city" promote much of an understanding of the article's subject matter; the subjects of the images are mentioned in passing in the article and seem unremarkable to me. | |
7. Overall | Fail I think the article has moved a good deal closer to the Good Article marque, but still falls a little short, primarily in the area of prose. See following remarks.
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Initial observations and draft comments may be found in Draft Comments
Merge proposal
[edit]SaarLorLux and Greater Region
Many informations duplicated between the two articles.
http://www.euregio.lu/euregio.lu/html_fr/qui_sommes_nous/index.html use as well SaarLorLux+ and Greater Region for the same area.Ske (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
- I do not agree. SaarLorLux and Greater Region are two different concepts, both on an economical as well as on a historical level. One could, however, try to reduce the redundancy in the SaarLorLux article and point to Greater Region for an advanced concept of the regional collaboration. But that's just my 2 cents --Clausekwis (talk) 13:47, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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Merger proposal Greater Region into Greater Region of SaarLorLux
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result of this discussion was merged. Heanor (talk) 13:29, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
I propose merging Greater Region into Greater Region of SaarLorLux. --Heanor (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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