Talk:Ruth Williams Khama

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Julius Nyerere

The page states among the reactions to the marriage, alongside the comment by Prime Minister Malan of South Africa another (possibly later pronounced) by "President of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere". This is potentially misleading in implying Nyerere and Malan were contemporaries in office at the time whereas Nyerere did not become Tanzanian President until after Tanzania (in 1947 separately Tanganyika and Zanzibar) in 1960. I have rephrased the sentence to clarify Nyerere was a student at the time but became President later. It would be helpful if the time he said this could be dated.Cloptonson (talk) 05:20, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

celebutante Peggy Cripss

I find the use of 'celebutante' to describe Peggy Cripps insulting. She is far above the likes of Paris Hilton, etc. and, while not in the same league as Ruth Khama, made significant social contributions in her own right. I have therefore deleted the derogatory 'celebutante'. Hedley 07:34, 2 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hfinger (talk • contribs)

Family section

I am moving this comment on the family section of this article from the references to here as it probably belongs on the talk page.

{this entry needs to be checked as I am sure some of the children were born in bulawayo - my father was in the ambulance which collected Lady Khama from the airport and took her to the maternity hospital].

The reference was added by 90.200.210.199 on 8 December 2016. Niel.Bowerman (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Prince or king or what?

A heads-up to whoever looks after this article. I just watched the movie "A United Kingdom" for the first time and read the Wikipedia article on Seretse Khama and this article on Ruth Williams Khama out of curiosity caused by the movie. In the process I found an inconsistency. This article says that in June 1947, Seretse Khama was a prince, and son of the paramount chief Sekgoma II of the Bamangwato people. That implies that he was prince because his father was still king. But his father died in 1925 when he was 4. He had been king ever since. He was already king when he met Ruth Williams. This corresponds to the statement later in this article that his uncle, Tshekedi Khama, was regent. A regent "administer[s] a state because the monarch is a minor." (Why Seretse Khama had not become king by 1947 even though he was 26 years old is a good question but outside the scope of this comment; maybe the Bamangwato people define "minor" differently than I am used to, or maybe Tshekedi Khama successfully clung to power.)

This is admittedly a tricky issue. For instance, the article on Sekgoma II says "Sekgoma's son, Seretse II, was too young at the time to ascend the throne, and Tshekedi Khama, Sekgoma's younger brother, acted as regent." I'm not sure that makes sense. A regent administers FOR a monarch, but the monarch is still a monarch. Seretse Khama probably DID ascend the throne at age 4 -- he merely wasn't allowed to exercise the power of the monarchy.

But one thing's clear; in the Seretse Khama article, in 1947 he's already king ("At the age of 4, Seretse became kgosi (king), with his uncle Tshekedi Khama as his regent and guardian"); in this article, he's a prince; in the Sekgoma II article he does not "ascend the throne." That's a three-way contradiction that I don't know how to reconcile. Can anyone help? Gms3591 (talk) 08:27, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Telegram

The statement “The couple were permitted to return in 1956 after the Bamangwato people sent a telegram to Queen Elizabeth II.” Any sound quaint but makes no sense and has no attribution. Can a tribe send a telegram. Did the queen really step in Churchill, and Benn don’t mention it in their diaries. 81.105.95.101 (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]