Talk:Rusty Nails (filmmaker)

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Photo update

The photo, which was just updated, was sent to me from the director Rusty Nails for use in this wikipedia article. Xsxex 17:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you compare this photo with the previous one, you will see that it is not the same person. I have reverted it to the old one, which can also be found on numerous websites, including his own: http://www.neweyefilms.com/

Lisa55k, you do not have authorization to use photos of Rusty Nails. Do not vandalize this article. Thank you. If you have a problem, leave a message on my talk page. Use 4 tildas (~ ~ ~ ~), with no spaces to sign the comment. Xsxex 00:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be so quick to call other users vandals- Lisa's edits do not fall under the definition of vandalism. You do not own this article, and anyone who has their own image of the subject is free to use them, provided they are tasteful and properly licensed. You have a clear conflict of interest, and images you supply must be released under the GFD License.-Wafulz 13:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again, let me reiterate myself. (this is for the benefit of Wafulz, and others in regard to this article). I wrote the original article months before this "Lisa55k" user. This user does not maintain their user page nor do most of the people who have vandalized this article. My number 1 priority is have the article deleted since it is a source for faulty information. AGAIN, let me be specific!!!! - All the information in this article is referenced by websites which according to wikipedia guidelines is not an acceptible source for this material.

"Material available solely on partisan websites or in obscure newspapers should be handled with caution, and, if derogatory, should not be used at all. Material from self-published books, zines, websites, and blogs should never be used as a source about a living person, including as an external link, unless written or published by the subject of the article (see below)." [1]

Unless this can be remedied shortly, I will take the next course of action which will be to contact Jim Whales. Xsxex 06:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry if this sounds naive, since I am relatively new here, but how is the IMDb a "partisan website" or "obscure newspaper"? Also, isn't against Wikipedia's policy for you to be writing an article on behalf of your friend any way? I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be impartial. Please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.W3ndy 04:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You aren't naive. You have it exactly right. =Axlq 20:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB references

I am restoring the IMDB references that keep getting removed, until someone can point out other references (more than bare assertion) that the information is false. IMDB is a valid source for citations, whether you like it or not. Until it can be shown that a better reference exists that contradicts what's on IMDB, the references should stay.

It would really be helpful if the official site didn't bring up a page saying the site is dead. Having official information would settle this once and for all. If Rusty Nails objects to the content here, let him update his official site so we can reference it. Until then, all we have is IMDB, anything else is unsourced hearsay. =Axlq 18:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The IMDb is a reliable source. Please stop removing the IMDb references without prior discussion. Thanks! Lisa55k 01:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb is not a reliable source for anything but hard facts about films. Although Wikipedia:Citing IMDb has been rejected by the community, the document still makes some valid points. Furthermore, the discussion that ensued when this article was up for AfD indicated that Rusty Nails himself attempted to correct his information in IMDb and failed. Now that he has his own MySpace page, information from the source himself is more reliable than unsourced information from IMDb.

Please stop adding back the IMDb references without prior discussion that demonstrates IMDb's reliability for anything other than hard facts about films. =Axlq (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(discussion moved here from user talk page)

Dear Axlq, You recently reverted my edit regarding Rusty Osgood / Rusty Nails by claiming that MySpace is a more reliable source than the IMDb. I would like to argue the opposite. The IMDb is a professionally-run, third-party website on which the main biographical information (name, birth date, etc) must go through extensive fact-checking before being posted. MySpace, on the other hand, is a user-generated site in which anyone may post anything at any time. To add or correct a birth date on IMDb, you must provide proof such as a scanned driver's license or passport, whereas on MySpace you can write whatever you want. People lie about their age on MySpace all the time, while the IMDb has similar requirements to wikipedia, including a reference to a reliable third-party publication. Furthermore, you claim that the Rusty Nails MySpace page is an "official page owned by the subject of the article" - how do you know this? As I said before, anyone can create a MySpace page under anyone else's name and call it "official" but this does not make it so. In fact, if you search for "Rusty Nails" on MySpace you will find several different pages for the same person, all claiming to be different ages. Thus, I would argue that until an outside publication confirming the correct date of birth is found, the IMDb remains a more reliable source than MySpace. Thank you for your time. Lisa55k (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of Rusty Nails, IMDb is a questionable source, no other site about Rusty Nails in the past has agreed with IMDb, a personal acquaintance of Mr Nails in the AfD discussion for this article also objected to the IMDb information in Mr Nails behalf, and IMDb has been unresponsive to queries about the source of its information. Given those facts, your argument about the reliability of IMDb is questionable at best, regardless of the validity of your argument about MySpace. I see no deception evident on the MySPace page; I suggest you assume good faith there as well.

In the past I pushed the same arguments as you: that IMDb is the only source we have so it's valid to use whatever it says. Over the past few months of observing other sources of information that have come and gone, I now agree that the position described on Wikipedia:Citing IMDb, that IMDb isn't reliable for anything but hard facts on films.

The solution for now would be to delete all references to the birth date until the date can be definitively resolved. The solution is not, as you propose, to continue publishing suspect data by IMDb just because you perceive it to be more reliable than MySpace. Even Rusty Nails' official web site neweyefilms.com shows no birth date on the official bio page - if the official site never mentions his age, why should Wikipedia? -Axlq (talk) 06:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The IMDb page about Rusty Nails is inaccurate. Nails is somewhat secretive about his personal history and likely altered his own IMDb page to both deceive and amuse people. Morganfitzp (talk) 04:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]