Talk:Rum swizzle

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Did you know... that the Rum Swizzle is often called "Bermuda's national drink"?

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Move to rum swizzle

If this article is not about Rum Swizzle^TM, then the article should be moved to rum swizzle. GregManninLB (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given the sourcing that has been done during cleanup, and what the sources actually say, it should actually be moved to Bermuda rum swizzle. Jim Miller (talk) 16:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to be often capitalized, and many of our articles about two-word cocktails have both words in caps. This isn't a big deal, as long as article title and text are consistent. The drink is only rarely referred to as "Bermuda rum swizzle" or "Bermudan rum swizzle" so I have to disagree with Jim's suggestion. - House of Scandal (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about creating those pages as redirects to this page? That way we can be sure whatever they call it, they will find the page. Beeblbrox (talk) 19:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. I already created redirects for "The Swizzle Inn" and "Swizzle Inn" 2 days ago and have since linked the terms suggested as well as some related ones. - House of Scandal (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ingredients

The ingredients are given in the box, but not mentioned in the article. They should be. The article seems to be describing a different drink than the recipe in the box. Badagnani (talk) 19:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are more elaborate versions, but it seems the version given in the infobox is pretty typical. It's not too different from the Gosling's Rum version. We probably would have given the Gosling's recipe except that it calls for it's own brand name booze. I think you are correct if you're suggesting the article might benefit from elaboration on what the typical variations are...i.e. falernum versus grenadine, etc.- House of Scandal (talk) 20:25, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I acted upon my suggestions above. The added sentence "Rum, fruit juice, and a flavored sweetener such as falernum or grenadine are the most consistent ingredients" seems especially useful IMO. House of Scandal (talk) 14:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the most popular fruits whose juices are used should be mentioned. I think lime juice and orange juice may be two of them. Badagnani (talk) 23:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you think so, go ahead. I would suggest adding a new section called Variations for showing different ways of preparing the drink. The Wikiproject recommends using Cosmopolitan (cocktail) as a model article for style and substance. You may want to look there for ideas on how to expand this article further. Jim Miller (talk) 23:07, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "ancient" citations are fascinating! Who found those? I guess we should thank the editor who found them as well as whoever scanned them into Google Books. They mention various early recipes, one of which is simply old rum that has been diluted several times (though one book also mentions "aromatic ingredients"), then "swizzled" with a special stick. Have you read those three sources? I think those antiquated recipes should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 23:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The earliest reference (the North American one) mentions it as a type of Spruce beer mixed with rum and sugar. Badagnani (talk) 23:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kudos

Yesterday this article started as this and was rightfully put up for deletion. [[1]] it looks like it's vying for good article status! Kudos, editors - House of Scandal (talk) 20:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, as the original PRODder, I'm happy to see what this article has become. Great work! Livitup (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which type of rum

Is dark rum or light rum more traditional? Badagnani (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dark, apparently. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there good sourcing for this? What type of rum would have been used from the 17th through the 19th centuries? Did they even have different colors at that time? Badagnani (talk) 06:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty quotes

Badagnani, you've made some great improvements to the article and will be credited when it appears in DYK later today. One thing though...I don't think the pretty quotes look good with this particular article, maybe because there are several quotes of different lengths or whatever. It's a bit hectic and seems less readable to me. - House of Scandal (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My thought is that I don't recognize the "blockquotes" as quotes at all. Is there a middle ground? I think there are a couple of other styles that have boxes or some type of muted colors, which make it clearer that they are quotes. Badagnani (talk) 06:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the whole thing has gotten pretty visually complicated with the many links and references. I think the color boxes might be overkill. If you really feel the pretty quotes are better, keep 'em. No biggie...I should be in bed by now anyway! - House of Scandal (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, I do see what you're saying about the "busy-ness" of the lavender quotation marks. I think there may be some other ways to do it, if it turns out that they're just intolerable. Badagnani (talk) 07:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At second look I think it's good. Nevermind. - House of Scandal (talk) 09:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo size

There doesn't seem to be a way to customize a photo's size in the cocktail template. That seems a poor design to me, unlike the taxoboxes for animals and plants. I wish we could enlarge the photo, because it's a pretty good one. Badagnani (talk) 06:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]