Talk:Rum ration

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Did you know... that the rum ration was abolished because the Royal Navy's leadership was concerned that it made sailors less capable?

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Combining with Grog article...?

Would it be worth considering combining this article with the grog article? They seem very similar topics. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rum and beer

According to N A M Rodger "The Wooden World, an anatomy of the Georgian Navy", during the Seven Years War, 1756-1763, the Victualling Board's standard weekly ration included one gallon of beer, with no mention of rum, beer being less likely to go off than water. However, on foreign stations where normal supplies could not be obtained, there was a standard system of equivalents, with half a pint of rum, arrack or brandy the equivalent of a gallon of beer. For the first bit of this information he is quoting another author, but for the bit on equivalents he is quoting the Victualling Office precedent book. I think it likely that the statements in the article about beer being phased out in the 17th century are dubious. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 19:59, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rum ration in the British Army?

There's a useful academic study here on the rum ration within the British military - it wasn't just a naval thing, although that is of course the most famous... http://www.kcl.ac.uk/kcmhr/publications/assetfiles/alcoholsmoking/Jones2011-Alcoholuseandmisusewithinthemilitary.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdventurousMe (talk • contribs) 05:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Which pint?

The Imperial pint wasn't introduced until 1824, so it would be good to know how big the 1740s "Old Grog" ration was. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the usage of the pint is merely giving a modern approximation as to the amount. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The original gallon of beer would have been an ale gallon, 4.62 l. The rum pints would have been based on one of several Exchequer or Treasury gallons, which range from 4.56 to 4.62. The BBC (used as a source in the article) was obviously unaware of these different pints. These are all close enough to Imperial (4.55) that we can just leave it at Imperial for now. We should refrain from calling it an Imperial pint, since it wasn't. Kendall-K1 (talk) 01:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Australian Navy

The article on Black Tot Day states that the RAN ceased rum rations in 1921 (unsourced, though), while this article says the RAN never gave rum rations, citing a book about 1776. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tot_Day — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.250.102.5 (talk) 05:09, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who paid the 3d ?

I see that someone has inserted an entry saying that the 3d paid to teetotallers came from Aggy Weston, and that this entry has been removed. On the face of it, the idea is moderately plausible, but I can find no trace of it. She had her own activities which were shore-based, but was a member of the Royal Naval Temperance Society, which seems to have disappeared from view, apart from the medals it awarded. Neither the insertion nor the original entry give any dates for the practice. --Martin Wyatt (talk) 14:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beer as alternate

@The C of E: Was your revert a mistake? If not, what did you not like about what I did with the beer information? I thought it worked better kept together instead of as two sentences in different parts of a paragraph that had nothing to do with beer. The way I had it, the sentence that says how much beer is allowed is followed immediately by the one that says why there is a limit. Doesn't that make more sense? GA-RT-22 (talk) 12:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GA-RT-22: Apologies for that, I was trying to deal with the uncited sentence but I think I inadvertantly removed what you did. I have no problem with the moving of the beer as long as no information is lost. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]