Talk:Rodrigo Duterte 2016 presidential campaign

Globalize tag

Opening should make clear which country this person is running for President in. Not sure if this is different from the deleted version, either, to know if speedy deletion would apply. 331dot (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

@User:331dot: I think it's fine now. I accidentally saved it even I'm not finished yet. I'm sorry -–Angelo6397 ^{T A L K!} 17:03, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

AfD discussion

I think this article never got deleted per the deletion discussion, but seeing as how his campaign was successful, the discussion obviously no longer applies. Icebob99 (talk) 16:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

No, the article would have been deleted on 13 October 2015 as noted. A new article of the same name was started the following month after Duterte actually started his campaign; if you look at the article history, you can see the creation date in November 2015. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:06, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Rodrigo Duterte presidential campaign, 2016/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Icebob99 (talk · contribs) 16:37, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I'll be reviewing this article for GA status. I'll list off significant concerns that need to be addressed in one section and have another section with my optional suggestions. I'll then check it against the six criteria and administer a pass or a fail. Icebob99 (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2016 (UTC) First thing that needs to be said about this article is that its deletion discussion appears to be obsolete, seeing as the campaign was successful. I mentioned this in the talk page as well.

GA criteria concerns

• Lead section length. Per what BlueMoonset brought up below. WP:LEADLENGTH does have a guideline that articles 30kB readable prose should have a two to three paragraph lead.
• Copyvios from references. Again per what BlueMoonset brought up. As an example, reference #3 (as of now) contains closely-phrased material, so do others.

List of copyvios and close phrasing

• article says "credited former president Fidel V. Ramos as his inspiration", ref#3 says "credited former president Fidel Ramos for inspiring him"
• article says "shrug off calls for him to run for President, saying he was not qualified for a higher public office", ref#7 says "shrugging off calls for him to run as President in 2016, saying he is not qualified for higher public office"
• article says "in order to ensure his victory" without quotes, Duterte in ref#9 says "just to ensure victory"
• article says "he was not interested in running for a national post", ref#11 says "he is not interested in running for a national position"
• article says "convincing Teodoro to come out of retirement", ref#13 says "convincing Teodoro to come out from retirement"
• article says "statement that she would not run with Duterte as a matter of principle", ref#16 says "statement that she would not run in the same ticket with Duterte as 'a matter of principle'"
• article says "told Sison that he did not have plans yet", ref#17 says "telling Sison that he did not have plans, yet"
• article says "a large number of supporters gathered at the Quirino Grandstand in Rizal Park, Manila, to urge Duterte to run for the presidency in 2016", ref#22 says "a large group of supporters of Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte gathered at the Quirino Grandstand in Rizal Park to convince the local official to run for president in 2016"
• article says "#Duterte2016 topped on Twitter with a 1,966,830 reach and 2,641,635 impressions", ref#23 says "#Duterte2016 tops Twitter" and "had 1,966,830 reach and 2,641,635 impressions"
• article says "a group of businessmen had pledged P1 billion to fund Duterte's bid", ref#25 says "a group of businessmen has pledged P1 billion to fund the presidential campaign of Rodrigo Duterte"
• article says "after the gathering of Duterte supporters at Quirino Grandstand on September 26", ref#25 says "after the gathering of Duterte supporters at Quirino Grandstand on Sunday"
• article says "if ever the latter decided to run for the presidency", ref#27 says "if he ever decides to run for president"
• article says "in a press conference held at a local hotel", ref#28 says "during a press conference at a local hotel"
• article says "Duterte's authorized representative, Christopher "Bong" Go, filed Duterte's certificate of candidacy (COC) on his behalf", ref#29 says "Duterte's authorized representative, Christopher Bong Go, filed his certificate of candidacy (COC) on his behalf"
• article says "he would offer to write another song if the mayor finally decided to join the presidential race in 2016", ref#31 says "have offered to write another song if the mayor finally decides to join the presidential race in 2016"
• article says "while hinting that her father would seek a higher post and withdraw his COC for mayoral re-election", ref#32 says "while hinting that her father would seek a higher post"
• article says "that while Sara's COC was filled out, it was not received by the Comelec in Davao City", ref#33 says "that while Sara's COC was filled out, it was not received by the Comelec in Davao City"
• article says "Duterte's possibility of substitution until December 10 was opened after Martin Dino, father of celebrity Liza Dino and chairman of the Volunteers against Crime and Corruption (VACC) and former barangay captain of Brgy. San Antonio, Quezon City, filed his candidacy for president at the last minute. Diño is a member of PDP-Laban, the same party advocating the federalism system where Duterte belongs", ref#34 says "Duterte’s possibility of substitution was opened after Martin Diño, chairman of the Volunteers Against Crime and Corruption (VACC), filed his candidacy for president. Diño is a member of PDP-Laban, the same party where Duterte belongs"
• article says "On October 21, Duterte told CNN Philippines' News.PH via phone patch interview that there was still a chance he would change his mind. The decision, however, would have to be made by the PDP-Laban", ref#36 says "On Wednesday (October 21), Duterte told CNN Philippines' News.PH that there was still a chance he would change his mind. The decision, however, would have to be made by his party, the PDP-Laban."
• article says "PDP-Laban has made it official that Duterte will substitute as the party's presidential bet if aspirant Martin Diño withdraws or is disqualified by the Commission of Elections (Comelec) from the 2016 race", ref#38 says "PDP-Laban has made it official that Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte will substitute as the party's presidential bet if aspirant Martin Diño withdraws or is disqualified by the Commission of Elections (Comelec) from the 2016 race."
• article says "Martin Diño withdrew his presidential bid and named Duterte as his substitute", ref#39 says "Martin Diño of the Volunteers Against Crime and Corruption (VACC) has officially withdrawn his candidacy for president in the 2016 elections and named Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte as substitute."
• article says "was deemed to face an election sabotage complaint because of proposing Duterte as his substitute for him", ref#42 says "could be risking an election sabotage case for proposing Davao City Mayor Rodrigo "Digong" Duterte as substitute"
• article says "would not move any further", ref#43 says "won't move any further"
• article says "he was disappointed over the decision made by the Senate Electoral Tribunal (SET) regarding Grace Poe's citizenship", ref#46 says "Davao City mayor said he is disappointed with SET decision favoring Poe"
• article says "The document was filed along with a certificate of nomination and acceptance from PDP-Laban signed by Duterte and the party's vice president, Engr. Salvador Ty", ref#48 says "The document was filed along with a certificate of nomination and acceptance from the Partido Demokratiko Pilipinas-Lakas ng Bayan (PDP-Laban) signed by Duterte and the party's vice president, Engr. Salvador Ty"
• artice says "Duterte filed his certificate of candidacy for president through a representative in Metro Manila shortly after withdrawing his COC for Davao City mayoralty re-election", ref#48 says "Duterte on Friday filed his certificate of candidacy for president in the 2016 elections, shortly after withdrawing his COC for re-election"
• article says "Duterte and Cayetano kicked-off their campaigns with a proclamation rally held in the suburb area of Tondo in Manila on February 9, 2016", ref#53 says "Rodrigo Duterte and Sen. Alan Peter Cayetano will kick off their official campaign in Tondo, Manila, on February 9"
• article says "A day after meeting with Cayetano, Duterte met with another incumbent senator, Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos, Jr., who also went to Davao City", ref#57 says "A day after meeting with the Cayetanos, Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte met with Sen. Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr. at a hotel in Davao City."
• article says "Marcos was reportedly considering running for the Vice-Presidential post", ref#57 says "Marcos is reportedly gunning for the vice president post in the 2016 elections."
• article says "As in the Cayetano meeting, Duterte still declared that he was not running for president", ref#57 says "Similar to the Cayetano meeting, Duterte still declared that he is not running for president."
• article says "Duterte focused his rhetoric on fighting corruption, crime, and drug abuse", ref#59 says "The mayor's single-issue campaign focused on law and order chimed with popular anxiety about corruption, crime and drug abuse"
• article says "he said that ending it would be one of his priority measures aside from his anti-crime zeal if elected president", ref#67 says "He said ending contractualization would be one of his priority measures aside from his anti-crime zeal if elected president next year"
• article says "He has also said that the Philippines should revert to the previous position to agree to explore jointly the disputed areas with other countries like China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan for resources such as oil, gas and other minerals", ref#76 says "He added that the country and China should revert the current status quo and agree to explore jointly with other countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan the potential resources such as oil, gas and other minerals"
• article says "he personally filed his COC at the Comelec national office in Intramuros, Manila on December 8 to formalize his bid for the presidency in the 2016 elections", ref#84 says "Duterte personally filed his certificate of candidacy (COC) at the Commission on Elections (Comelec) national office in Intramuros, Manila late Tuesday morning to formalize his bid for the presidency in the 2016 elections"
• article says "the COMELEC En Banc approved on December 17 the substitution of Duterte (from Diño) as the candidate of the PDP-Laban in the 2016 polls", ref#86 says "The Commission on Elections (Comelec) en banc on Thursday decided to accept the substitution of Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte as presidential candidate for PDP-Laban in the 2016 polls"
• article says "JP Delas Nieves, chairman of the UP Diliman University Student Council, filed the third disqualification case against Duterte before the COMELEC", ref#87 says "JP Delas Nieves, University Student Council Chairperson of the University of the Philippines Diliman, filed the petition before the Commission on Elections"
• article says "COMELEC's first division unanimously denied all filed disqualification petitions against the presidential candidacy of Duterte due to lack of any merit", ref#88 says "First Division presiding Commissioner Christian Robert Lim announced that the decision was unanimous in favor of denying the four petitions against Duterte due to lack of merit"
• article says "The first division also stated that Diño is not a nuisance candidate and his substitution to Duterte is valid", ref#88 says "that Diño was not declared a nuisance candidate and that the withdrawal of Diño for Duterte was valid"
• article says "Vatican appreciates Duterte's apology after cursing Pope Francis in public", ref#93 says "The Vatican expressed appreciation for the apology made by presidential candidate Rodrigo “Rody” Duterte"
• article says "Duterte showed a certificate showing his balance at P17,816.98 as of March 31, 2016", ref#132 says "Duterte showed a certificate showing his balance at P17,816.98 as of March 31, 2014" (incorrect date in the article?)
• article says "issue additional pardons to policemen and soldiers accused of abusing human rights", ref#136 says "he would pardon soldiers and policemen accused of human-rights abuses"
• article says "Senatorial candidates may still make an appearance in the campaign rallies of Duterte and Cayetano to speak depending on availability", ref#199 says "candidates running for Senate seats might appear at the Duterte-Cayetano rallies and speak depending on the availability"

Obviously, my spotchecks hit all the good references. Icebob99 (talk) 18:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Suggestions

• Citations in the lead: those could easily be moved to somewhere in the body. I'm doing it myself. I should note that one of the citations in the lead was repeated later on, reference was not named. Repeated references, in general, should use a name and not repeat the entire thing.
• A couple references have some sort of error marked in red in the references section. Good to get those cleaned up even though it's not mandatory for GA status.
• Wording in "public order" section. I fixed it.
• Check for repeated references. Not a GA issue but still good to nail down. Name any that are repeated and use the name for any further instances.

Alright, going through the criteria: # Well-written: Good wording overall, especially for a controversial topic.

1. Well-written (round 2): See lead length above; layout formatted correctly; wording stands as I previously put it; fiction does not apply; nothing that deserves to be in a list.
2. Verifiable: Number and positioning of references matches the controversial nature and statements very well; however, I suspect care was not taken to avoid close phrasing of the references in achieving a state of being well-referenced.
3. Broad coverage: Very broad! Not excessively long, though. 30kB readable prose is a good, solid length.
4. Neutral: good neutrality for this topic.
5. Stable: Edit history looks normal.
6. Images: decent number of images. Maybe include one near the bottom for aesthetic, but that's just a suggestion. Licensing all checks out.

This article officially passes this GA review. Good to have an article on this subject. Congratulations on the hard work! Icebob99 (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I am re-opening this review for the reason below. I'll preemptively apologize for any mistakes I made while attempting to be bold. Icebob99 (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

@Angelo6397: just to let you know the review was re-opened. Icebob99 (talk) 02:17, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

A summary of what transpired after I re-opened the review: basically everything mentioned below, those are the only issues I found with a very thorough inspection. If the lead is expanded to three paragraphs and all the references checked for copyvios at the end of seven days from 22 December 2016 (so 29 December 2016) I will pass the article, as I found it satisfactory for the other criteria. Icebob99 (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Icebob99, you should really be pointing out the copyvio issues yourself (examples of the problems); if you don't feel up to it, I can ask Nikkimaria, who is one of the most experienced Wikipedians I know in the area of close paraphrasing and copyvios. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:00, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: alright, I will go through the article and find all the instances. Icebob99 (talk) 16:09, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Request that review be reopened

Icebob99, I notice that you are new at GA reviewing, and have passed several articles in a short period of time. I took a quick look at this article, and immediately noticed a flagrant violation of the specific Good Article criteria under "Well-written". This is not merely about good wording, but far more than that: it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. MOS:LEAD is quite clear that the lead must summarize all the sections of the article, and furthermore, for an article of over 30,000 prose characters (which this one is), should run three to four paragraphs. This article has a single paragraph, and not a very long one either.

I hope that you will reverse your passage and reconduct your review in light of the specific requirements given for GAs. Have you actually checked some of the referenced passages against their original sources? Have you checked for possible copyvio or close paraphrasing? I can't tell, but given the speed of your reviews and what you've clearly missed in terms of the manual of style-related requirements, I think you can understand why I'm concerned. Thank you for your reconsideration of this review. It is perfectly normal to find issues that need to fixed by the nominator, put the article on hold until they are addressed, and eventually pass (or fail) the nomination after one (or many) rounds of adjustments are made to the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:03, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi @BlueMoonset:, of course I will do this. I must have missed that the length of the lead matches the length of the article in MoS:LEAD. I did check references and a few spot-checks for copyvios. Give me a day to get on this. Thanks for pointing it out. Icebob99 (talk) 23:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Icebob99, I just ran the copyvio detector against the article, and although it says "violation unlikely" for the sources, when you look more closely, there is a sentence copied from one source, another copied from another source except for a couple of words here or there, and so on. After finding three in fairly quick succession, I imagine there are more out there, and it needs to be addressed. (In the past, I've found copied sentences in sources with as low as 9% confidence according to the detector.)

Since you are going to revisit this review, I'm happy to unwind the promotion and restore the review as active. Since the lead will have to be greatly expanded and the copyvios addressed, it makes sense to have this be an active review while all that is going on. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Closing the Review

Hi, 8 days have passed since my re-review of this article, and since the issues listed above have not been fixed, I will have to fail this article. Thank you, everyone involved, for your patience in my review. Icebob99 (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Terrible grammar at the lead and POV issues

The lead is written in a POV fashion and the grammar is terrible. I haven't checked the rest of the article but I will try to do so in the next few days. Meanwhile I have added a few tags. Dr. K. 07:09, 23 September 2017 (UTC)