Talk:Rocky Vista University

Allopathy

This term is poorly understood, and has several meanings, including derogatory ones. I have replaced the term with MD or other, well understood and unambiguous, words where appropriate. I had no expectation that this would be controversial, and I'm sure they are good changes that the community will approve of. --221.202.40.78 (talk) 20:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

close ties of the RVU's founder and chancellor

I can't seem to verify this in the sources. Its not enough to list 3 sources and ask the reader to infer that this is true. As such I've removed that sentence from the article with this editIf I missed the line where the sources say this, feel free to re-add but please be more specific. Do not re-add the text without checking the sources and finding the relevant source please. —— nixeagle 17:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I've re-scanned the sources and come up with this content discussing Tien.

“ Rocky Vista University's founder and chancellor, Yife Tien, is involved in managing another for-profit medical school, the American University of the Caribbean, located outside the U.S. but attended primarily by U.S. citizens and founded by Tien's father, Paul Tien. Forbes magazine reported that Tien's financial plan for Rocky Vista is to have tuition revenues increase from 2.7 million US$ in 2008 to 25 million in 2012, with a net income of 3 million US$. ”

I've pulled this content out and placed it in a separate paragraph. How does that sound? Bryan Hopping ^T 22:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Please delete any reference to Mr. Tien and ownership of AUC. DeVry, Inc owns AUC.

References

Not a soap box

Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia and this article. Let's work together and not have a silly edit war. There's a few major issues with the edits you are making. General discussions about health-related educational corporate structures are not really relevant to an article about one University. Such as the following: "In fact, the health care profession already has a history of accrediting programs in for-profit institutions (PharmD). It is a common misconception that not-for-profit higher education institutions are expected to lose money contrasted with the expectation that for-profit educational institutions are expected to make money. In reality, both types of corporation are expected to show increasing assets and report a positive cash flow." Likewise with completely speculative comments like "RVU could provide an antidote for a possible doctor shortage in Colorado." Wikipedia is not an advertisement. Bryan Hopping ^T 22:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Respect Please

Mr. Hopping, I agree. All I want is a balanced viewpoint which I presented and you removed. I would like equal respect. Your opening paragraph is based on an article which states the opinion of critics. I posted another vein of thought on the subject with referenced source and you removed it. The statement that LCME has banned for-profit medical schools is irrelevant since they don't accredit D.O. programs. Why have the statement? You are comparing apples and oranges. Again you removed my posting which is factually stated that. RVU and AUC have no common ownership and are not affiliated in any way, and if you read the Forbes article, the relationship is past tense. Your statement that Wikipedia is not an advertisement: what I posted was referenced in an article by the Denver Business Journal-- they said it, not me, and you removed it. Respect please. Healthfax (talk) 20:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

LCME accredits the majority of medical schools in the USA, and RVU is a medical school. That makes the opinion of the LCME (as well as the AOA) relevant. The "opinion of critics" is clearly stated as such, as is the opinion of supporters. RVU and AUC do in fact have a relationship, a very clear one: the founder of AUC is the father of the founder of RVU, furthermore, the founder of RVU is a long time manager of AUC. These are the facts as they have been reported, and sourced. If you have a topic that you think is noteworthy regarding RVU, you should create a section discussing it. Wikipedia is not about "respect", it is about simply what is considered noteworthy, and reliably sourced. See WP:NOTE and WP:RS, for further information. I have no problem with additional information, however, you cannot deny that the for-profit status of RVU has received a great deal of attention, hence its mention here. No attack, just reporting what others have reported. Compare what is uniquely noteworthy about RVU to the other osteopathic school that has opened this year, Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences College of Osteopathic Medicine. I think you will find just how prominent the issue of RVU's for profit status is, in comparison to that school. I respect and look forward to hearing more about your point of view. Bryan Hopping ^T 07:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

LCME accredits M.D. programs only. It does not accredit D.O. programs. You as a D.O. student should know the difference between a D.O. and a M.D. They are not one and the same. RVU offers a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine and not a Medical Doctor program and is therefore accredited by AOA. The LCME statement is irrelevant as it does not apply to D.O. programs. It's like saying the AOA accredits M.D. programs--they don't. By respect: I posted relevant information that was sourced and you removed it. Play by your own rules.Healthfax (talk) 07:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

There are two (and only 2) bodies that accredit medical schools in the US, the LCME and the AOA. Until RVU, they both banned for-profit schools. Given that their two standards are so similar and that the MD and DO degrees are now "virtually identical", this new difference, as represented by RVUCOM, is highly significant. Not in my opinion, but in the opinion of the noteworthy, reliable sources, i.e. American Medical Association News I respect what you are trying to do, but I think you'd have more success by reading WP:NOTE and WP:RS to understand Wikipedia standards for editing. These are not "my rules" they are part of the pillars of Wikipedia.

As far as the statements I removed, let's take one example. "With one-third of the state's physicians fast approaching retirement age, RVU could provide an antidote for a possible doctor shortage in Colorado." First of all, this is not relevant to the section "for profit status." It might be relevant in another section about Colorado. But still it has to meet the standard of noteworthiness, WP:NOTE. Most importantly, it has to be from a reliable source. "http://myfuturedoctor.com" is simply not a reliable source as per WP:RS. Also, I'd highly recommend reading WP:NPOV for an understanding of when reliable sources are important. Bryan Hopping ^T 23:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

If you have a complaint about what you consider a subjective judging of "reliable", then go through proper channels and complain as I did, and don't remove it. If true, they will remove it. It's not up to you to be the sole judge of what's reliable and worthy. D.O. and M.D. are not one and the same. Source your "virtually identical" statement and I'll find 100 to refute that. LCME does not accredit D.O. programs. Therefore it is irrelevant to RVU. It is evident you have an axe to grind here. You don't get to be the sole author of this page. At some point, I'll repost and if you remove it, I'll complain again. Healthfax (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.133.176.94 (talk)

The guidelines for what is reliable source are clearly spelled out by the WP community, try WP:RS. What are the "proper channels" you speak of? Who exactly is "they" who will correct this article? Its just us kids here, that's how WP works. WP:BB Bryan Hopping ^T 02:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Change the title of this page

It seems appropriate that the title of this page should be changed to just "Rocky Vista University." At its founding, RVU only had one program: the osteopathic medical school; so RVU and RVU College of Osteopathic medicine were synonymous. However, RVU now has three programs, so it's reasonable to change the title of the page to "Rocky Vista University," and then present the three programs at RVU on that page.Mjlinton (talk) 22:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)