Talk:Ricardo Rosselló

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Keep-The subject of this article fulfills Wikipedia's notability requirement in many fields, including his participation as an active politician (one of the four most prominent politicians in Hillary Clinton's successful primary campaign in PR (see multiple mentions and photographs in "Te Quiero Puerto Rico", ISBN 978-1-60484-744-4, a book that chronicles that campaign) and his appearance, along with three other politicians (José A. Hernández Mayoral, Democratic State Chair Roberto Prats and then Senate President Kenneth McClintock) in the campaign's final TV spot. He js also notable as a political analyst, both in PM drive-time talk radio islandwide, as well as in frequent newspaper op-eds, and as a scientist and entrepreneur. His notability extends to paparazzi-type photographs in Puerto Rico dailies' social pages. Pr4ever (talk) 04:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Involved in founding of several companies?

I've removed this statement because it has no sources. If there are any, and if it is relevant to WP, please add. --Ljvillanueva (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Undue weight to Fernandez Viña

@Ljvillanueva: I'm having a hard time figuring out why we should keep the paragraph regarding Fernández Viña. With only one reference on the matter it seems to be given undue weight. Could you please provide additional references to this 'controversy' that would justify us giving it weight? —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

• I agree that the "Controversies" section should be either deleted or completely rephrased. The fact that the section is titled "controversies" already denotes a political attack, not an attempt to neutrally information. Notice that not even the article of Barack Obama has a "controversies" section. Therefore, the section should be deleted, since it either unsourced or completely based on blog posts, which by definition are opinions, and not news. User:Coburnpharr04

The Fernandez Viña article was from a blog and was a political attack as you stated, but the other two topics discussed are controversies and not political attacks, one was a claim made by himself on a radio interview and the other was an accusation by someone outside the Puerto Rican political sphere of plagiarism. Both have a number of reputable news articles as reference online. There is one other controversy known island wide that I did not include even though there are news articles as proof, because I felt it may have been blown out of proportion by political opponents of his father and it was when he was a teenager. If you can think of a better name for the section then by all means be my guest and change it, but I feel controversies is an appropriate descriptive name. I added a lot of positive things on this article with references but I try to be objective. It always happens that the negative stuff gets removed as it happened with Luis Fortuño's article, I assume political agendas are behind it. BlueBlaise (talk) 11:05, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Request for protection

Unidentified user is editing page adding irrelevant or unsourced informaton. Please protect page. User:Coburnpharr04

 Deferred to WP:RFPP @Coburnpharr04: Requests for page protection should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. The purpose of this template is to request a protected template be altered.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 03:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Controversy Section

I added the controversy section again. I only included the most pertinent proven controversies to make it an unbiased article.

I was the one who basically structured the whole article. I see a lot of good edits to make it more objective, yet by now, all the negative things have been removed one after another and it looks more like a campaign bio page. A person foreign to Puerto Rico will not get an objective idea of Ricardo Rossello this way.

The section was removed by user:Cobirnpharr04 on November 27 with the tag "Edited vandalism".

Let's try and keep this unbiased people. BlueBlaise (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move to Ricardo Rosselló. We have a strong consensus that "Ricardo" is more common in the sources. Consensus is less clear on the diacritic, but if that were the only change, it's unlikely it would be changed by this discussion. There's certainly precedent for using diacritics in names where it's well established in sources, and no pressing policy argument for removing it has been made. As such, I'm closing as a move to Ricardo Rosselló; if someone wants to start a new RM discussion devoted specifically to the diacritic issue, it can proceed without prejudice. Cúchullain ^t/c 13:48, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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Ricky Rosselló → Ricardo Rossello – Now that he is governor the press refers to him as 'Ricardo' rather than as 'Ricky.' —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 19:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. DrStrauss talk 13:49, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed, but support Ricardo Rosselló. @Ahnoneemoos: was the omission of the accent in the template an oversight? Biographies of Puerto Rican living persons on en.wp are given full Spanish spelling, as other Spanish-speaking nations and territories. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

• @In ictu oculi: Yes. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Then support Ricardo Rosselló as amended by nom In ictu oculi (talk) 07:12, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Is it that simple, In ictu oculi? Is there any naming convention that supports the claim that Biographies of Puerto Rican living persons on en.wp are given full Spanish spelling, as other Spanish-speaking nations and territories? The question of diacritics has been often discussed, and your personal views have been often expressed, as have mine. But if that is what they are then they should be identified as that. Andrewa (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

No, because it is fact. There is no naming convention for Spanish, unlike WP:MOSFR, but it is still fact. Editors over the whole project have been treating Puerto Rico articles the same as every other Spanish geo or bio article. Spanish names are in Spanish, this is the choice of the editors of en.wp. We see that in the creation of this article in 2011. We see that in the proposer's clarification above. These aren't my personal views, this is en.wp fact, I just happen to agree with it because I used to edit for a high-MOS journal. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:13, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

On what evidence have you decided that this is a fact? I guess one could argue that it's an argument from consistency, but it seems a shaky one... en.wikipedia is not consistent in whether or not to adopt diacritics from source languages in general, as far as I can see, and you and I have often discussed this in the past. I don't have any quick answer for it, but I do think that it needs to be said that on the evidence, this is a controversial opinion of yours, not a fact. Andrewa (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

@Andrewa: I know it's a fact on the basis of the evidence: i.e. knowing when Spanish names require accents and having looked at great length at the article base. Conclusion en.wikipedia is entirely consistent in always spelling Spanish names in Spanish, as other languages. This is a fact. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

See below. Andrewa (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination and per comments by Andrewa. The governor's own Twitter page does not use an accent mark. This one-size-fits-all approach to accenting Puerto Rican names had been previously discussed at Talk:Monica Puig#Requested move September 12, 2016. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
• Support Ricardo Rosselló; I thought diacritic wars were over. He is the son of Pedro Rosselló (sic), and where English rendering is mixed we traditionally go with sources that do use diacritics. No such user (talk) 14:47, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

Google [1] indicates to me that the versions of the name with or without the diacritic are both common, but the more recent sources seem to leave it out. Andrewa (talk) 23:25, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

This is a complete waste of time. The nominator supports correct spelling. Why are we looking at Vanilla Google to see if all Vanilla Google sources carry full fonts. The cheaper the source, the less likely. Try the same with any BLP. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:24, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

This is an important and ongoing issue, and one we will not resolve here, but this case does stand to set a minor precedent and so is itself important. The correct spelling of a Wikipedia article title is one that is supported by consensus and based on policy, guidelines and evidence, rather than by claims of personal knowledge which are better termed opinions.

Yes, it is a fact that Spanish uses this accent. And it is also a fact that this is English Wikipedia, and also a fact that English does not necessarily use accents borrowed from other languages. So the repeated appeal to Spanish usage is indeed a complete waste of time. Agree on that! Andrewa (talk) 18:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Evidence?

There appear to be no arguments above in favour of using the diacritic apart from those based on the (agreed) fact that it is correct in Spanish. But there's a lot of discussion above, so have I missed any? Andrewa (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Andrewa: the use is inconsistent based on reliable sources. For example, The Washington Post has called him both 'Ricardo Rossello' (without diacritic, see [2]) and 'Ricardo Rosselló' (with diacritic, see [3]). Whichever is fine with me as long as we use redirect for each case. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 05:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Divorce source?

Article states the governor is divorced from his wife Beatriz Areizaga, but no sources confirm this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xgm541 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism, probably. Looks like another editor went ahead and fixed it to remove the nonexistent divorce. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 04:33, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Worldwide?

How are Puerto Ricans "worldwide" protesting when it's people who are physically there who are protesting? I don't understand why the term "worldwide" continues to be added to the article.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 14:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2019

Puerto Rico’s sole representative in the U.S. Congress, Jenniffer González, said that she believed Rosselló should not seek re-election as a result of the incident. Thomas Rivera Schatz, President of the Puerto Rican Senate, called upon Rosselló and every government official included in the chat to resign. Calls for Rosselló's resignation were made by Democratic U.S. Representative Raúl Grijalva, chair of the House Natural Resources Committee; former Governor Sila María Calderón, former Governor Luis Fortuño, Democratic U.S. Representative and presidential contender Tulsi Gabbard,

Please note that Julian Castro also called for his resignation as well.

Puerto Rico’s sole representative in the U.S. Congress, Jenniffer González, said that she believed Rosselló should not seek re-election as a result of the incident. Thomas Rivera Schatz, President of the Puerto Rican Senate, called upon Rosselló and every government official included in the chat to resign. Calls for Rosselló's resignation were made by Democratic U.S. Representative Raúl Grijalva, chair of the House Natural Resources Committee; former Governor Sila María Calderón, former Governor Luis Fortuño, former San Antonio mayor, former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, and presidential contender Julian Castro, Democratic U.S. Representative and presidential contender Tulsi Gabbard, 2601:447:4101:5780:647D:3CF9:5656:8F3D (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

References

 Done Using a different Washington Post source. --Trialpears (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

As a teen, involved in fatal accident?

I've removed this statement because it has no sources. If there are any, and if it is relevant to WP, please add. There is a rumour circulating about a fatal accident when he was a teen but that has not been confirmed.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Greetings, The Eloquent Peasant. I didn't know of the accident until I visited Wikipedia. This is the only available source: https://www.telemundopr.com/noticias/destacados/Habla-sobreviviente-de-accidente-fatal-vinculado-a-Rossello-512986861.html 24.50.217.41 (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I saw the source. I don't think we should add unless we find more sources. It's a pretty serious allegation.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

It should be added, as it has been covered multiple times and been confirmed by the surviving victim. Jay Starz (talk) 11:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

But anyone can accuse anyone and it doesn't make it true. I don't have a love for this man but where are the multiple coverages of this event? I saw 1 which was just featuring a video of the alleged family member /victim. It hasn't been reported in any major Puerto Rican newspapers, but only by this guy who is more like tabloid news who also reported that "Jeffrey Epstein Wanted to Have His Penis Frozen and “Brought Back to Life in The Future”. Please do not add it again. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

It was covered in the local news extensively when it occurred, and his father even sent him away to the US, in order to avoid local media uproar and attention. I wasn't the one who added it here, but am aware that it's something that did happen in his life. Jay Starz (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

If I lived there I'd visit the newspaper and ask them to pull the paper of the event so I could read it, copy the page and then add it here. They are supposed to keep every paper ever published or maybe it'd be found on microfilm. Have a good night.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Labels

The label of politician is wholly supported by the evidence. The scientific one, however, is broadly questioned because of the lack of individual contributions to the sciences, which would require an undivided dedication to field research (see here, here, published long before the current scandal).

The one on businessman is also doubtful; anyone with inherited wealth could then be labeled as such since you need to find a place where to invest their money.

The one on author, however, is the most problematic. It fails (WP:AUTHOR), and I will take it down (see also here).

One more point: his father was well-known as a pediatric surgeon, and this should be included in the lead, and not in the second section where is confusing (as a doctor). I will change this as well. I am open to other views. Caballero/Historiador ^⎌ 01:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

International Mathematics Olympiad 2000 credit overstatement

The Early life and education section of his entry states "[he] was the youngest deputy leader in the International Mathematical Olympiads in 2000". A few things that are unsaid but add a lot more color to this statement:

• A deputy leader is a non-contestant.
• Puerto Rico's team of 6 contestants scored a total of 8 points out of 252 points possible, placing dead last tied with Brunei: https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninel (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Rosello's successor

An explanation in the article would be helpful, to explain why the acting secretary of state succeeded to the governorship, instead of the secretary of justice. GoodDay (talk) 22:24, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2019

Please add: Ricardo Rosello, is considered the worst Governor in Puerto Rico's history. 74.213.81.115 (talk) 10:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Alduin2000 (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

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