Talk:Reitia

etymology

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“ She was also a deity of writing; Marcel Detienne interprets the name Reitia as "the one who writes" (cf. Proto-Germanic *wreitan- 'to write', proto Slavic; in Slovene also as "to speak" - Rekat, Rechi, Reč. Probably related with Sanskrit etymology as "Rig Veda" - in Slovene as Rek Veda - "the words of knowledge"). ”

Even supposing that Sanskrit ṛgveda is a genuine cognate of Slovene rek veda, Sanskrit is irrelevant here unless there is a Hindu goddess parallel to Reitia. (Contrary to popular myth, the western Indo-European languages are not descended from Sanskrit.)

What is the proto-Slavic cognate of *wreitan? Are rekat, rechi, reč all Slovene forms? —Tamfang (talk) 06:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

- Claim that "Reitia" has references only with "germanic" root "wreitan" is arrogant. Similar Slavic term to wreitan is vrezat - "to cut" -( cherty i rezy). I've added also Slavic verb "rekat" or "rechi" which has references with ancient Sanskrit in meaning of the Rig (Veda)as "sentences, words" with knowledge than "writing or speaking". And according to Venetic inscriptions "šainatei Retiai" we can also compare similarity with Sanskrit Vedic term Rita - ṛta (“truth” or “order”) with Slavic "red" (order, law). That's why Retia was probably close to Etruscan Minrva and Uni.

No one has claimed that Reitia is related only to a Germanic word; that would be as ignorant as, say, claiming that it's descended from Sanskrit. I removed the word 'proto-Slavic' because no proto-Slavic word was mentioned, and the "also as" passage because it lacks an antecedent – that is, the passage doesn't say what occurs also in Slovene as Rekat, Rechi, Reč (surely not the proto-Germanic word). If you mean that Rekat, Rechi, Reč are Slovene forms of the goddess's name, that statement should probably go earlier, before the etymological conjectures.

When you connect the same name with two unrelated Sanskrit roots – ṛč· 'praise' (as in ṛg·veda) and ṛ·tá 'proper' – the connection is twice as fishy.

By "references" do you mean cognates, or what? —Tamfang (talk) 06:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I wanted only to prove that the Reitia can be understood through different languages. I believe that the Reitia was more related to "justice" as "Red - Order - Rita" . I will remove my post in the Article.

" Sanskrit roots – ṛč· 'praise'" Then it would be Richas Veda or "Rit" Veda and not Rek or Rig.

Rig Veda comes from Sanskrit term "a line" - as in slavic "a river". Related term is Slavic "a quote, saying" -which flows "as a river". "and ṛ·tá 'proper' " - order, (truth, proper,).

The Vyasa (means "binding together" in slavic ) collected Sama Veda or peSam - "poems" knowledge, Adharvana Veda, Yajur Veda ("god's banquet" - "yuzhna" in slavic) and Rek or Rig Veda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.198.21.89 (talk) 23:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite willing to believe that a genitive construction would produce ṛčas veda (or with sandhi maybe ṛčo veda); but whatever the root, ṛgveda is a compound in which the first stem has no inflectional suffix. – I could be wrong but I think you'll find that final č (not followed by an inflexional vowel) becomes k (g in voiced sandhi), not t, since the Indic palatals are descended from fronted velars. — Anyway I didn't write the article Rigveda which says the root is ṛč. —Tamfang (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear Tamfang, ऋच्(rc), rek, rig among Hindu Brahmins, the meaning of this word represents indeed a "praise", but literal(lingual container) (original) Sanskrit meaning is "to flow".

The meaning of "Reitia" is partially explained bellow. The goddess which was representing "a riddle of seed(souls) and birth/afterlife"(porai; through a riddle, rešeto), "birth", in sanskrit रेत्र retra, reta; which is also "proto Slavic"(christian church slavic was not "the first slavic language", but predates it - i am showing this with slovenian-sanskrit lingual containers) "roditi, rediti"(to give a birth, to (b)reed). So literally as a Venetic Mother Goddess of birth(and children), and probably dead ones- the "new afterlife(as seed) beyond the moon, which remained (until today) as local "pagan" legends or mythology.

Origin of "REITIA" (remained also in modern Slovenian dialects) source: RELIGION OF THE ANCIENT LOBYANCI (Leopold Sever)

" The souls of the deceased Lobyanci* departed after death to the »other, next world«, which meant to either the dark or the bright side of the Moon (e.g., in popular saying to be »beyond the Moon«). The worshipped stellar body acquired the divine name, Reitija, apparently due to the functional similarity to the common tool of farmers, the »rejta« (a riddle). According to the beliefs of the ancestors, the transfer of souls to the other world or vice versa was accomplished by the holy birds (big or small tice or ptice). The Moon or the holy Reitija reflected and spread the light during the night and hence was designated as shajnata (i.e., shining). With time the attribute »shajnat« was acquired by all who served this holy stellar body and which was where they could continue the post-mortem life. So along with the Shajnata Reitija, we know also of the existence of »Shajnato Trimozhje« and of »Shajnata Tica« (known in Slovenian ancient mythology also as Zhar Tica). All the deities important for life on this or the next world and designated as »shajnata« were worshiped by our ancient ancestors who donated and offered to them a ransom, called »toler«.

The religious life of the old Slavic Lobyanci, ancestors of the present inhabitants of Western Lower Carniola left numerous and rather richly preserved traces. We can easily recognize them by carefully studying our living habits, our toponyms and onomastics of our vocabulary, and by observing and verifying nature, and by experiments. All the religious names for the worshipped nature have an onomatopoetic origin and possess a profound Slovenian sonority. During the very long period of formation of our ethnicity, Western Lower Carniola was rather isolated, without too many foreign influences and with rather small immigration. This can be a clue as to why the Lower Carniolan dialects are so rich on the preserved traces and proofs of our pre-historic period. The linguistic proofs of our relic and autochthonous existence in Central Europe become even more persuasive if one compares them with the existing archeological facts. Both of these proofs are in excellent agreement with the inscriptions written by the ancient Veneti over two thousand years ago." Lobyanci* or Lobici (Lobjanci, Lobiki) is a very old name for the inhabitants of the Western Lower Carniola (Dolenjska)