Talk:Majestica

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Can anyone help me to de-oprhan this article, i cant understand what to do. They said i need to link?...where?, how?, if anyone is more experienced user, please give me a example.

Hi Vandroy, I mentioned there were some other issues with the article, and I'd like to go into them now. There seems to be a lot of areas where you have put in your personal opinion - for example, the description of the songs and analysis of the lyrics. Any kind of critical opinion needs to be attributed to independent, reliable sources such as album reviews. See WP:Original research for more information on this, and if you like I'll go through the article and pick out anything that's not suitable.

Another issue is with the images used - on one hand they look like promo shots (indeed, you attribute File:Actualmembersreinxeed.jpg to the Bands On Fire website), on the other hand you've marked them with "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain." Can you clarify? Marasmusine (talk) 19:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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Hey Marasmusine!.

Sure you can pick out what seems not suitable to the article.

About the Licensing image, in that time was my first time uploading images to Wiki Commons, and I dont know what License choose, I thought that was the right one. Sorry If I didn't correctly choosing that. Im going to edit the image and put the right one, also you can help me on this licensing object. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vandroy01 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Sure, we have a Wikipedia:Image use policy and a list of tags at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags - In essence image licenses "must permit both commercial reuse and derivative works". This normally rules out copywritten pictures, such as these press-kit photos, but you might be able to use them under "fair use" (see Wikipedia:Non-free content). Okay, I'm going to go through the article now, apoligies if some of the cuts seem severe. Marasmusine (talk) 15:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you'll probably find Wikipedia:WikiProject_Music/MUSTARD invaluable if you want to develop the article further. Marasmusine (talk) 15:48, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Christian Band

Regarding this article, do not feel that the band is Christian?. I say this because this in a Christian record company: Rivel Records. In addition, some of his lyrics prove to be Christian (although having your fantasy). Among other words, the band, mixing fantasy with Christian lyrics, which is very interesting. I also highlight that although there are no data on facebook and myspace to be a Christian group, it is the same question to you you: why cause Harmony qualify as a Christian band, if not even Mons appearing information it is a Christian group on facebook and myspace?. Therefore, if they include bands like that, because they include ReinXeed is not it?. What more is destacarce is that the band appeared on sites such as Christian Metal Resource - Angelic Warlord, as well as BandsOnFire. Are the lyrics, what makes this band is regarded as a Christian. Also, remember what Christian Liljegren said of his label (Rivel Records): "The focus with the recordlabel is to release good hardrock and metal with a divine message That lifts people up." This proves what I say: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpdZLJZHOw

I watched it. I read the caption "Tommy J from ReinXeed does a cover of Strypers famous song In God We Trust.

"No video is avilable, only some ass-kicking photos, yeah! ;D" and yet the fact that one member does a cover of a song from a Christian band doesn't make the band Christian. Does the fact that Stryper is about to release a series of cover tunes from mainstream bands make them non-Christian? When they state that they are a Christian band and you can reference it, then you may have a WP:V source to back the claim. If HM magazine reviews them and says they're a Christian band, then there's a WP:V source. Until a WP:V source can be produced, we can't assign the genre to the band. It's not bias against them, it's the standard Wikipedia has. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

bad, you know why?, because it is confirmed that this band if a Christian, but look: http://www.metalcristiano.org/2010/10/nos-sacamos-las-dudas.html

The lyrics of the songs are: Fantasy / Christianity

The great thing is that I confirm Christian Liljegren, and said that TommyJ as ReinXeed are Christians.

And the two recently founded a new band of Melodic Metal called Golden Resurrection —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 04:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Blogs do not qualify for WP:V sources. I'm sure that the two members are Christian, but that doesn't make them a Christian band, at least not without a WP:V source to back your claim. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have spoken personally with Liljegren, and I said the same thing is inevitable, and clarified the following: TommyJ a Christian, and he is the composer who writes the lyrics, and I clarified, the other band members are not Christians but TommyJ if the same happens with the band Impellitteri, where the band is Christian by Rob Rock and Chris Impellitteri, but the other members are not. In ReinXeed myspace, TommyJ says: "Big bombastic music with big lyrics with stories and legends that has been told for centuries with a heavenly hope." With this, you can stop criticizing the references that I am giving, enough material ReinXeed is a Christian band! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 18:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, we can't. It does not meet WP:V. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

you told me that if your myspace saying something, then it was a reliable source, I do not understand —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 18:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Where's the link to the band's MySpace page or more specifically, that "quote"? If on their MySpace page they say that they're a Christian metal band, then that's acceptable to WP:V. If an artist indicates on his own MySpace page that he or she is a Christian, that does not make the band itself a Christian band. If you can find a WP:V source to back this claim, then it's fine to add it. And I keep referencing WP:V with the hope that you'll read it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I have seen http://www.myspace.com/reinxeednorth before and just checked again. It says nothing about the band being a Christian band. The closest is that Christian Liljegren, who was in a Christian metal band, has them on his current label. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Let's see, the better we write the bio of ReinXeed:

THE MELODIC ADVENTURE POWER METAL EXPLOSION FROM SWEDEN!

The story of ReinXeed takes place in a town called Boden in the north of Sweden. ReinXeed is Tommy Johansson’s musical creation and band vision.

The band was formed in 2002 and worked very hard with the music style and image to create what ReinXeed call ADVENTURE METAL. "BIG BOMBASTIC MUSIC WITH BIG LYRICS WITH STORIES AND LEGENDS THAT HAS BEEN TOLD FOR CENTURIES WITH A HEAVENLY HOPE". ..< br /> In late 2007 Christian Liljegren former singer and founder of NARNIA also owner of LILJEGREN RECORDS got a demo from Tommy Johansson. He was so impressed of what he heard and signed ReinXeed direct to his label. Christian is also running a management company and Tommy Johansson are one of his clients.

Promotional CDs were sent out to different companies in ASIA where Christian saw great potential for ReinXeed and highly praised label KING RECORDS in Japan licensed ReinXeed and the release of the debut album THE LIGHT and ave since then reached good success with ReinXeed’s releases THE LIGHT, HIGHER & MAJESTIC. LILJEGREN RECORDS releases the MAJESTIC album for the rest of the world except ASIA.

The debut album THE LIGHT released springtime 2008 showed the world a new band and talent in the melodic metal world. Now two years later since the release of THE LIGHT and the 2nd album HIGHER and now the 3rd effort MAJESTIC will see the light in EUROPE & USA.

Since the releases of THE LIGHT & HIGHER the ReinXeed has toured a lot in Sweden and also been working hard to write new material for the new album MAJESTIC. On the debut album The Light. The musical inspiration for ReinXeed comes from Gary Moore Angra, Stratovarius ,Robby Valentine ,Symphony X and Helloween, & Keeper Of The Seven Keys 1 & 2 era.

ReinXeed have worked hard to develop the songs and the production on MAJESTIC and the sound is big, powerful and bombastic with lots of vocal harmonies and shredding guitars & mighty keyboards. ReinXeed are already looking forward for the 4th album production as Tommy Johansson has now tons of ideas and material. Of course the band is hoping to touring abroad especially in Japan where they have a lot of fans since the release of THE LIGHT.

The MAJESTIC album scored 88 points in BURRN! MAGAZINE when it was released in JAPAN and have since then been in the metal charts in JAPAN. Everybody are convinced that this is by far the best ReinXeed album and the band already have loads of material for the 4th album so expect a new album in spring/summer 2011.

Tommy is also involved in a new great band called GOLDEN RESURRECTION formed by DIVINEFIRE, AUDIOVISION, EX NARNIA vocalist Christian Liljegren who signed ReinXeed to LILJEGREN RECORDS. What we are talking about is Scandinavian melodic metal with neoclassical elements in the finest possible way with a killer production done by ERIK MÅRTENSSON (ECLIPSE & W.E.T) Their debut album GLORY TO MY KING will see the light October 27th 2010 in JAPAN and November 12,2010 in the rest of the world. Three promotional videos are planned for the album so Tommy will be very busy the next coming years with ReinXeed & Golden Resurrection. GOLDEN RESURRECTION - The MELODIC NEOCLASSICAL METAL EXPLOSION!!!

MELODIC POWER ADVENTURE METAL WILL ARISE WITH REINXEED!

..MELODIC POWER ADVENTURE METAL WILL ARISE WITH REINXEED!

TommyJ is Christian, and he composed the lyrics of ReinXeed and Golden Resurrection

"BIG BOMBASTIC MUSIC WITH BIG LYRICS WITH STORIES AND LEGENDS THAT HAS BEEN TOLD FOR CENTURIES WITH A HEAVENLY HOPE"_REINXEED

also, in many important pages, it is said that this band is Christian. And I insist, Christian Liljegren confirmed to ReinXeed as a Christian band!

I talked to them, everything I say is true —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 22:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

This is a copyright violation from their MySpace page and nowhere in there does it indicate that they are a Christian band. I'm sorry that you don't understand what WP:V means. It doesn't mean that they're not what you say, just that your word and private conversations don't meet WP:V. Since there are "many important pages" that indicate that they are a Christian band, you just have to find one that meets WP:V and you can add the genre anywhere and everywhere. Until then, it's not admissible into Wikipedia. Please go read WP:V. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Quoting from the opening of WP:V: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true.". --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, this appears on myspace ReinXeed, no lie, this is official, moreover, that this is already known by many. I understand the following, TommyJ is Christian, but the other members are not. But TommyJ is what is up and all the letters, which have a Christian purpose. You are a source of important information, and you have to find out about everything first.

Take, for Morphia Do you think that is a Christian band? my answer is no, because neither its members nor their lyrics are Christian, and yet, wiki qualifies as Christian band, that is, is wrong, very wrong.

ReinXeed, however, if a Christian band, confirmed by TommyJ and Christian Liljegren

check, check, I've dealt with being part of this network, to collaborate as much as possible, and prevent me —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 00:09, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

When you've read WP:V, and understand it, please come back an offer something concrete. No one is preventing you from doing anything. We are preventing material that is not verifiable from entering Wikipedia. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

TommyJ has already written on his myspace: "BIG BOMBASTIC LYRICS WITH MUSIC WITH LEGENDS AND STORIES TOLD THAT HAS BEEN FOR CENTURIES WITH A HEAVENLY HOPE_TommyJ

Perhaps I should demand something else?

In addition, sources with that handle information on each album of the band are Christian sites confirming the band as such. You apparently do not accept this, is amazing.

The pages "Bands of Fire" and "Angelic Warlord", presented only Christian bands, so ReinXeed presented, because the band is Christian!

Angelic Warlord: “You know, Tommy, you might want to consider adding a bit more rhythm guitar to the mix. And while you are at it, back off a bit on the keyboards as well.” In all seriousness, with added consistency in the songwriting department and a more balanced production, I can see ReinXeed being a force in the Christian metal scene for years to come.

I am giving you very good information, it says on their myspace, the band is presented in two Christian sites, which as you say verifiable —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 00:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Their MySpace page does not indicate that they are a Christian band and the quotes you have given are not on their MySpace page. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

what? as not, everything I just wrote appears in the myspace ReinXeed, please read carefully —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 02:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I did better. I searched. There's no indication that they're a Christian band. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

clarified, TommyJ is Christian, and it is he who composes all the band's lyrics (which are Christian / fantasy). Other band members are not Christians, but Tommy if it is, and takes you on a Christian message in the lyrics of his band ReinXeed. In ReinXeed myspace says: "Big bombastic music with big lyrics with stories and legends that has been told for centuries with a heavenly hope."

I make a question, maybe you're joking —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 02:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not joking. I took the quotes above and performed a search on their MySpace pages and my browser indicated that the quotes are not on the pages. You need to show one single source that is WP:V that indicates that they're a Christian band and the information may stand. However you haven't so it can't. You clearly do not understand WP:V. Please don't add the genre back to any of the articles until this is resolved. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I wrote the text of the myspace ReinXeed is real, I can not understand why they do not accept your myspace, it seems, words are worthless, but the only thing that matters is WP or something, amazing. I thought it was the Free Encyclopedia, no need of WP Encyclopedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Because you writing a note on MySpace isn't WP:V. The fact that http://www.myspace.com/reinxeednorth does not state that the band is a Christian metal band, that it does not fall into this genre, is sufficient to back my point. Copy and paste one single line from http://www.myspace.com/reinxeednorth that backs your claim and is written by the subject and you will have your WP:V source. Linking to self-published sources and other sites that are not supported by WP:V does nothing to advance your claim. This doesn't mean that they're not a Christian metal band, it just means that there is no WP:V support for that claim and that means the claim cannot be entered into Wikipedia. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

at least accepted the fact that the band is Christian. I just wanted to say in this very good source of information for those interested in Christian bands do not lose sight of this great band —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 03:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I accept that English is not your primary language. I accept that you think they're a Christian band. I accept that others may think that they're a Christian band. Whether they are or are not is not up to me to accept or not to accept. The only issue for Wikipedia is whether you can find a WP:V source to back the claim that they are a Christian metal band. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

De hecho, mi idioma es español. Toda pasa por la WP:V, entonces ya no debería llamarse la Wikipedia Enciclopedia Libre, sino Wikipedia WP:V.

Las fuentes de que la banda es cristiana, son Angelic Warlord y Bands Of Fire. Y éstas dos páginas afirman que la banda es cristiana. El myspace de ReinXeed también es una fuente confiable, y que ésta página: http://www.metalcristiano.org/2010/10/nos-sacamos-las-dudas.html esté en español, no significa que no valga nada, nos brinda una información segura, y además, le digo que yo tome contacto con Liljegren, y me lo confirmo. Entienda de una vez, es la primera vez que me entero del manejo de ese WP:V, ésta información es oficial, y no hace falta 1000 fuentes para confirmarlo. La situación fue aclarada personalmente, pero bueno, espero que pronto ustedes se informen mejor, y no pongan la misma escusa de siempre WP:V y éso, que no tiene ningún sentido —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClaudioEM (talk • contribs) 16:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Gracias. Wikipedia is based on the principle of WP:V. However, that's no reason to change the name. if you feel that's the case, WP:V has a talk page and you may bring it up there. Again the three sites you list do not meet WP:V. One is a blog and the other two are self-published sites (essentially extended blogs). Their language does not make them any more or less valuable, it also doesn't help them to to meet WP:V. Again the question is not whether it's true or not but where it's verifiable or not. Feel free, in one of your conversations with the band, to ask them to include as statement or add the genre to their MySpace page. That would meet the rules of verifiability. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:37, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hola a todos, soy anónimo, pero les aclaro que ReinXeed si es una banda cristiana, favor de aceptarlo y publicarlo como corresponde. Saludos desde México —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.229.98.2 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

(the following translation is from Google Translate: Hi all, I am anonymous, but they ReinXeed clarified that if a Christian band, please accept it and publish it accordingly. Greetings from Mexico)

Hello anon. First, this is the English version of Wikipedia and discussions should be in English.

Secondly, where did they clarify their stance? There's still nothing on http://www.myspace.com/reinxeednorth unless I'm missing something. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Neutrality?

Where are the issues? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:07, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Incomprehensible and Poor Wording

Firstly, looking through this talk page in 2021 feels like walking through a long forgotten battlefield A lot of the things written here are worded very weirdly, I know that thats not the main issue with this article but im going to try to make it a bit better anyway. Ill document them below as I go. 2A00:23C7:599F:9B01:A8:6028:D92:C27C (talk) 17:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I changed "on revel records" to "with revel records" I might be wrong on this but i think it reads much better like this. Soundtrack movies to soundtrack focused, easier to understand if you dont care massivly about films. Changed "the band" to "they" and turned it into released an album. I've rewritten the top of the main paragraph on background, i know that its still not perfect but its defielty better than it was.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueDynamo12408 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Couple of Discrepancies on stuff

When i was researching some sources to try and hopefully sort out some of this mess, i found a couple of things that dont work. When i check the date that reinxeed was started i got 2000 but I also got 2002 . Since the reference for 2002 also lists the band as disbanding in 2019 which is definetly wrong, I'm going to assume that 2000 is correct. I have no idea where the original date of 2004 came from but I'm going to assume its also incorrect. I've found a website that seems to be the origina for most of the stuff I've just edited down as being badly written . The website says started in 2004 but also says 2000 so im sure that 2000 is correct. BlueDynamo12408 (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I've also found a whole other massive discrepancy, for the creation of the band there are a lot of different people saying v different things. From what I can find the general, sensible concensus is that it was started by tommy with some friends as a rehersal group however they split off in 2003/2004 (which accounts for the whole origin date thing). After they split it was just tommy making solo music for a bit until the whole thing with Liljegren however none of the sources are any good so I've decided to go with the less accurate but still correct and more easily verified idea that it was solo to start until the first album.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueDynamo12408 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Final thing, theres some weirdness with the place where the band was started, maost places say boden but a few say vindeln, these are both small northern swedish towns quite near to each other so im not sure how this happened but most say boden so I'm keeping it

A few things:

metal-archives.com is not a reliable source. Do not use it anywhere on Wikipedia.

discogs.com can be used to support that an album exists, but nothing else.

metalstorm.net is also probably not a reliable source.

The last.fm data is a user-generated and is therefore not a reliable source.

I think you meant, www.metalmusicarchives.com/artist/reinxeed/, and it too does not appear to be a reliable source.

When adding references in article space, punctuation goes before the reference, not after.

As for when they actually started, discogs.com will show when they released their first album, and the data they show is a mirror of the deeply unreliable metal-archives.com. Ultimately, if we don't have a reliable source for their start date, we do not need to discuss it in the article. At best we could write, "before ...." whenever their first release came out. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:31, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Picture and needs sources header

The photo given is very out of date as it shows the original band not the updated lineup for majestica, id recomend changing it for this one http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/images/artists/reinxeed-20141003145342.jpg however I know nothing about copyright and it all seems very complicated so I' going to leave that up to the discretion of someone more experienced.

Also I have verified many of the things on this article and I think that it no longer deserves the thing at the top saying it needs more sources cited, there are a few things unsourced but those are things i couldnt find any reference to online and dint have the heart to delete. I leave removing it up to someone with more experience as well. I'm not sure if theres already a wikipedia thing for this but I've spent way to much time on this page so id appreciate it if when somebody does come and take down the sources thing they could message me thanks BlueDynamo12408 (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

For reasons of copyright, we cannot lift images that have been published elsewhere, unless the image bears a copyright that is compatible with one of our free-use copyrights. Wikipedia:Media copyright questions might be the right place to start.

Since most of the sources are poor, we should probably leave the page-level tag. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

A quick tineye.com search and you can see that this image has been used on albums (https://www.discogs.com/ReinXeed-A-New-World/release/7496458/image/SW1hZ2U6MjgxNDQ5NjI=) and other locations. Probably a promotional photo and most certainly copyrighted. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2021 (UTC)