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Disputed then names in succession box

User:KittenKlub added the names of the two candidates after "disputed" in the succession box. What do people think? One problem is that having both names necessarily that one must be listed first, and that could be contraversial. What do people thing? The link on "disputed" is to Karmapa Contraversy so people can follow the links from that. 217.17.116.40 16:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might consider putting the names in alphabetical order, so that you have a rationale! Just a thought... Clippership (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing for series of claimed miracles

The article has a series of claims of miracles, and they are all sourced to a bunch of Dutch documents. How reliable are they? Can someone who reads Dutch please check the reliability or lack thereof of those documents? Ngchen (talk) 17:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I attended the funeral and personally witnessed (and took several pictures of) the triple rainbow, which appeared in a clear blue sky at exactly the moment that the funeral pyre was lit. I also saw the ejection of an object from the heart-level window of the funeral chöten (stupa) and, while I cannot personally attest that it was His Holiness' eye, heart and tongue, I can say that it was immediately regarded with great awe and wonder by all those close to the chöten at the time, and that it was quickly identified as the fused eye, heart and tongue by several who were close enough to see it in detail. Patrick Wooldridge, Chicago 75.34.188.110 (talk) 17:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no reason to doubt you Patrick, but I would think that if you are currently in possession of said pictures, and have no commercial interest in them, maybe you should upload them with a CC License, so they can be added to this article. 201.208.236.102 (talk) 23:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

but on the contrary reason (for example why is such a remarkable miracle so little attested?) does instruct me to doubt Patrick and I have accordingly added a "citation needed" template. Rinpoche (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please upload the pictures... I think they would add a lot to the article and generate more interest for H.H. 16th Karmapa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.110.119 (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I work on a biography of HH the 16th Karmapa and those miracles were witnessed by many people, some of those I met personally.

Gerd Bausch bauschgerd[at]aim.com 16th-karmapas-life.weebly.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerd Lacot (talk • contribs) 21:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Style of article

Doesn't this article in fact need a total rewrite by an Orientalist? Plainly as presently constituted it is the production of a group of disciples and lacks both both credibility and neutrality. Rinpoche (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Activities of 16th Karmapa Lama (Rangjung Rigpe Dorje) on Jan 1st, 1981

I am interested in knowing where and what 16th Karmapa Lama did on Jan 1st 1981. Any Lamas who were close to 16th Karmapa Lama at that time can help to remember? Did 16th Karmapa Lama give any empowerment that day? Was he in U.S. that day?

206.116.10.35 (talk) 17:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He was Dec 31-Jan 6 in Bangkok, Thailand. I'd like to know what he did there, as I write a book about his life

http://16th-karmapas-life.weebly.com/

best wishes Gerd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerd Lacot (talk • contribs) 21:19, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hair-cutting

The article says: "He received his hair cutting ceremony at age thirteen from Thubten Gyatso, 13th Dalai Lama."

However, this is impossible as the Karmapa would not have been 13 until 1937 and the 13th Dalai Lama died in 1933. The link for the source is dead, so I am not sure whether this is simply a typo, however it clearly cannot remain in the article as it is. Anyone know anything about this? Tad Lincoln (talk) 00:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thats true, he visited the Dalai Lama in 1931 in the 9th month of the tibetan calendar (October) as it is stated in the biographie of Douglas/White and Karma Thinley etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeshekunkhyen (talk • contribs) 09:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

HH the 16th Karmapa did this 1931, with HH the 13th Dalai Lama.

http://16th-karmapas-life.weebly.com/short-biography-of-hh-the-16th-karmapa.html

Best wishes Gerd Bausch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerd Lacot (talk • contribs) 21:22, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Term "Living Buddha"

I question whether the term, "Living Buddha" be used as the Tulku Wikipedia article states:

The Chinese word for tulku is huófó (活佛), which literally means "living Buddha" and is sometimes used to mean tulku although this is rare outside of Chinese sources. Also, modern Chinese sources typically refer to a young incarnation of a (presumably male) tulku as a "soul boy" (Chinese: 靈童; pinyin: língtóng). However, according to the Dalai Lama, "this is wrong. Tibetan Buddhism recognises no such thing."[2] Also, in interviews that he has given, the Dalai Lama has frequently dismissed the notion of 'living Buddha' referring to it as "nonsense".[3]

Does this warrant removing this short sentence from Rangjung Rigpe Dorje, 16th Karmapa? What do other users think? Fountain Posters (talk) 09:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With the Chinese translation of the term Tulku seemingly being the problem (and the adoption of this by the press) I checked on Rigpa Wiki (a Wiki encyclopedia solely for Buddhism) and offer two relevant links from Rigpa that may be of use to help to revise this article and perhaps to start an article on the problematic 'Living Buddha' phrase:

Rigpa Wiki - Tulku
Rigpa Wiki - Nirmanakaya

Fountain Posters (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As it has been a week without any debate, I have added a paragraph that hopefully better describes the Karmapa within the Nirmanakaya/Tulku definition. Fountain Posters (talk) 05:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Death

Why is no cause of death listed? It states that he was in the hospital, but doesn't specify the reason. Inquiring minds want to know. Gil gosseyn (talk) 06:31, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Recognition of the 16th Karmapa

Dear friends, the statement that the 15th Karmapa's attendant out of fear did hide the prophecy letter has no historic document backing it (or if so which?) Contarryly many texts state that the 15th Karmapa told him only to show the letter when the time was right (among them Tulku Urgyen: Blazing Splendor). Situ Rinpoche on top lived in Kham and the attendant first in Trsurphu and took the letter to his retreat in Golok, far away. So why should he fear Situ Rinpoche? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karmapa's Biography (talk • contribs) 18:20, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Filling out this page--many books available to reference

I just edited the intro as part of an overall effort to accurately represent the 16th Karmapa's historical impact on modern day Tibetan Buddhism. I'm surprised that the numerous accounts of his life in books, film and otherwise are not being taken advantage of. Many people have invested their resources into the Karmapa controversy page while this one seems to have fallen by the wayside--besides weak opening I found an obvious grammatical error in the opening paragraph. Perhaps since the 16th Karmapa was so uncontroversial--both "sides" agree on his authority--caused this page not to garner the attention it deserves. Again, there are many books to reference, which are full of intriguing and relevant information that can be poured into Wikipedia. I took an initial stab here and I hope more of you will join in!

Anotherpinkfloydinthewall (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Education and Receiving Important Transmissions

The section says: "Rangjung had therefore received all the major teachings of all the major Tibetan Buddhist schools."

I've added a 'citation needed' tag to that, because it's an uncited claim (of course); but also because some of the preceding claims are uncited. I would be interested to know the source for the claim he studied with a senior Nyingma lama, because I would like to know what he studied. Notably, there is no mention of Dzogchen, which is the central Nyingma teaching.

MrDemeanour (talk) 18:16, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lu Sheng-yen

Hi everybody, since 12 years I research about the 16th Karmapa's life (seee www.karmapabiographie.de, my site). The name Lu Sheng-yen never came to my eyes. For this I erased the sentence that Lu Sheng-yen was a disciple of Karmapa, I think it was added by Lu Sheng-yen's followers as a kind of PR, which is not admissible. Karmapa was the teacher of many important teachers, so many others should be naed instead. 92.184.112.209 (talk) 15:29, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]