Talk:Quartering (heraldry)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Fair?

"Northern Ireland, which consists of four quarterings, displaying the Arms of England, Scotland and Ireland, with the coat for England repeated at the end to make the number up to four."

The 1st and 4th quarters are the honour quarters - not fill in quarters. Eg when England was claiming France they placed the fleurs-de-lis in the 1/4 and moved England to 2/3. Alci12 14:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a completely false analysis. The reason for the priority given to France appears to be that France was the older kingdom and thus it should have been given precedence. --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 16:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Alci12 misread the sentence. It does not say the first quarter has England merely because it would otherwise be an unsightly void. It says there are three coats for four quadrants, so the first one – which, by the way, takes precedence over the other two – is repeated to fill the fourth quarter. Perhaps Alci12 did not understand that when there are four distinct coats to be combined it is done without repeats, and the fourth quarter in that case is not an "honour quarter". —Tamfang (talk) 06:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville

Does the list of quarters exist anywhere on the web? —Tamfang (talk) 21:35, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

it seems odd, most of those are repeats 67.176.160.47 (talk) 07:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

That's why I want the list: I'd like to see what is the longest repeated sequence, and that would be easier and more sure with a text list — I don't trust my eyes on such tiny pictures. —Tamfang (talk) 06:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

powys-lybbe

its says powys-lybbes arms are not quartered, the explanation does not make sense and says arms should be repeated twice, which would mean 6 variations would appear. even assuming repeated once it is unclear. 67.176.160.47 (talk) 07:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

It says the family adopted a new "Powys-Libbe" coat in 1907, Quarterly 1&4 ermine a bend between two lions gules 2&3 or a lion's gamb bendwise between two crosses crosslet fitchy gules, which exists independently of the quarters for Powys (Or a lion's gamb bendwise between two crosses crosslet fitchy gules) and Libbe (Ermine a bend between two lions gules). That part is tolerably clear. I don't understand the parenthesis that says you can tell it's not a true quartering because, if it were, each subcoat would appear twice; each apparent subcoat does appear twice! —Tamfang (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I actually saw some of this stuff in Spain

I was in Spain a couple of years ago and I saw this type of style on some shields or something. So I can attest that this is how it is done. Good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.14.36.165 (talk) 16:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

What is after quartering?

If I see a shield of eight arms, is that quartered arms where each arm(s) is impaled? And from those eight, how would I know which was the family name of the current bearer?

These are the kinds of questions that seem within the scope of the article, but are not easily found within the article. Fotoguzzi (talk) 23:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Impaling is mainly used for married couples and corporate heraldry. If married couple each have a quartered shield (and the woman is a heraldic heiress), then the quarterings will tend to be shuffled around in the arms of their descendants (i.e. the overall shield will not be impaled)... AnonMoos (talk) 16:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)