Talk:Project 22350 frigate

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The title of this article should be changed to "Gorshkov class frigate" following the format used for the greater number of similar articles on Russian naval surface combatants. It is reasonable to accept the convention that if the lead ship of a class bears the first and last name of a person or a rank and last name the class name should just use the last name (surname). For example, the name of Russia's new SSBN is Yuriy Dolgorukiy. The class name is Dolgorukiy class while the lead ship name is Yuriy Dolgorukiy. If such a change is not made then the CORRECT current title should read "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov class frigate" since that is the official name of the lead ship of this class.Федоров (talk) 02:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for "Admiral Gorshkov class frigate", but "Gorshkov class frigate" is possible too... I think here isn´t much standardize in this articles :( If you have time for that, change it! (Same as article "Gepard class frigate" to "Gepard class corvette" which have capabilities and tonnage closer to corvette then frigate) --Hornet24 (talk) 15:06, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at all the sources used there is a clear name for this class, the 'Admiral Gorshkov class', hence the title should be 'Admiral Gorshkov class frigate'. The Russians themselves tend to drop the 'of the Soviet Union', and 'Sergey' is never used except on wikipedia, and should be dropped as being an invented name. Benea (talk) 00:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep the name the simplest - just GORSHKOV class frigate. There are no other ships with which to confuse it.Федоров (talk) 01:14, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a question of the simplest name, it is the WP:COMMONNAME. Benea (talk) 04:21, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since the Gorshkov class frigate hasn't been in existence very long there isn't a lot of history built up to determine a "common" name. Wikipedia has an opportunity to influence the establishment of one.Федоров (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gorshkov vs Grigorovitch

Which of the current Russian frigates, the Admiral Gorshkov or Admiral Grigorovitch is the more advanced and in what ways? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.23.210 (talk) 21:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More advanced is Gorshkov class. Grigorovich class is cheaper and Russia planned dislocate all ships into Black Sea fleet for which is their capabilities fully-sufficient. --Hornet24 (talk) 15:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The ADM GRIGOROVICH is actually a KRIVAK-V Class ship (older design updated and produced because series production - TALWAR - is ongoing for India). The GORSHKOV Class is a new 21st century design with the first of class still fitting out and the second hull (first of series) still on the ways. GORSHKOV should be far more capable than the GRIGOROVICH.Федоров (talk) 11:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That´s true. Gorshkov class is really far more capable (and more expensive) - but that a reason why in this time with limited funding, they don´t go to BSF. Gorshkov is too much capable to Black Sea where he can´t use all 100% of his potential - then is better buy to BFS some Grigorovich class ships which is cheaper and fully-sufficient to Black Sea.--Hornet24 (talk) 02:34, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Original and upgraded version

There is for now two version of this frigate - original and upgraded with more missile, new engine, new SAM system, and other modifications, and very likely different tonnage, new industrial and probably index name is not yet known for upgraded version but it will certainly have some different designation then original. Equipment in Russia could have a design name, an industrial name and a service designation to make difference so upgraded version should be mentioned even before got all designations as it differs from first ship in class. Loesorion (talk) 16:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notably, as well, the current infobox suggests that the Project 22350 ships do not have any anti-aircraft missile armament, as it specifies the Project 22350M ships only when describing the 32 cells of Redut. This is incorrect - the Redut cells on Gorshkov and Kasatonov are clearly visible, including on the picture used in that very infobox - and needs to be corrected, which I will do now. I am unsure on the formatting however, and so am just removing the offending clarification, which I believe to be unnecessary, and adding a citation for the presence of 32 cells of Redut on all ships of the class. Gigletes (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]