Talk:Prince Hall/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge discussion

I don't think the Prince Hall Freemasonry article should be merged into this one, but I think that some of the PHF info should be moved out of this one. Anyone have more info about Prince Hall himself so this doesn't look stubby?--SarekOfVulcan 20:24, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Keep

1. is it meant that PHF be Merge with PH?? If so, maybe, but:
2. I'm confident both will evolve.
3. A merge is a 2-way deal, & this has already been proposed on PH.

Grye 22:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Removed merge tag. Again, a merge is a 2-way deal. It was not noticed because neither were done properly, i.e. with a merge tag on both, but probably ample discussion, esp between the to tags' additions. Grye 22:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

notes

I'll try, someday, to make this into the article, but if someone wants to use it, please do!

Prince Hall married five times (?) The official records of the City of Boston show:

1. 2 November 1763, Sarah Ritchie (or Ritchery).
2. 22 August 1770, Florah Gibbs.
3. 14 August 1783, Affee Moody.
4. 28 June 1798, Nabby Ayrauly.
5. 28 June 1804, Zilpha (?Sylvia) Johnson, died in Boston in 1836.

Prince Hall is buried in Copp's Hill Burying Ground in Boston, with his first wife. The inscription reads:

"Here lies ye body of Sarah Ritchery, wife of Prince Hall, died Feby the 26th, 1769, aged 24 years."

Source: freemasonry.org/phylaxis Grye 03:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Regarding this comment, it would be nice to have a current link for a source. This link no longer works. And, it would be good if it was clear that the source had validated that these marriages were all to the same Prince Hall. Regarding what's in the article right now:

1. Sarah Ritchie marriage is mentioned in the article - but the date of marriage is not listed, just that he married shortly after joining a church in 1762
2. Flora(h) Gibbs is mentioned in the article - the source says 8 years after joining the church (1762) and marrying shortly after, which is 1770
3. No mention of Affee Moody
4. No mention of Nabby Ayrauly
5. Zilpha / Sylvia Johnson is mentioned, but not the date of marriage or her year of birth.

-CaroleHenson (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

run-on article

can't do it myself now (or soon), but lets get some sections in here? With that, there'll be some movement of material, sooner than later resulting in rewriting... I'll come back to this, but anyone else interested, "git 'er done"...;-) Grye 09:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Does there exist a date for full recognition?

"Carefully studying the records, the Grand Lodge of England concluded that the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts was indeed entitled to Masonic recognition, and this against the tradition that, per state, only one recognised Masonic body should exist."

Do we know what year or even what decade this occured in? That is when did the Grand Lodge of England so conclude? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 22:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Over the years, the statement in the article has been modified. There are years now for history of his interactions with the Masonic body. There's nothing about there having been a tradition to only have one lodge per state.--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Was he a slave?

I found reference to Hall working as a ship's steward in Greene's The Negro in Colonial New England. Greene cites as his reference Johnston's Slavery in Rhode Island. Now I need to check that reference to see if Hall sailed as a slave or freedman or Free Negro. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Got my answer - he was once a slave - see text. LTC David J. Cormier (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

A remarkable improvement

Those who have been watching this article should have noticed a remarkable improvement lately in its quality and quantity of information. In fact, I think that it is close to achieving high marks if only we can fine-tune it a bit more.Historian (talk) 20:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Buried where?

The article currently states that "He was buried in the 59th Street Mathews Cemetery, Boston, in late March, 1808, after a large procession of blacks followed his body to the gravesite." No citation is provided for this statement. There is no such place as "59th Street" or "59th Street Mathews Cemetery" in Boston. Prince Hall's grave is now in Copp's Hill Cemetery. Was it ever somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Newman (talk • contribs) 23:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Ron, it may be that it was supposed to be listed at #59 St. Matthew's Cemetery, see here for a similar listing. However, I have found the source of that entire section of the article - it appears to be a copyvio from here or here, which lists the following sources:

• Foner, Philip S., ed. The Voice of Black America. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1972.
• Kaplan, Sidney. The Black Presence in the Era of the American Revolution 1770--1800. Greenwich: New York Graphic Society, 1973.
• Logan, Rayford W., and Michael R. Winston, eds. Dictionary of American Negro Biography. New York: Norton, 1982.
• Salzman, Jack, David Lionel Smith, and Cornel West, eds. Encyclopedia of African-American Culture and History. New York: Macmillan Library Reference USA/Simon and Schuster Macmillan, 1996.

This copyvio was added on 22 October 2011 by an anonymous IP editor. If someone has access to those four sources, maybe we can clear this up?--Vidkun (talk) 01:32, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what all of this is about, but there's cited information about him being buried at Copp's Hill burial ground.--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:17, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Prince Hall birthplace

I have semi-protected the article. While it's entirely possible that Prince Hall was not born in Barbados, the source that's being directly quoted does say that he was born there. If you're going to dispute the source, don't change the statement so that it looks like the source is saying something other than what it actually said.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Place of birth - home

The following information seems to add to more confusion than illumination:

Gray wrote that if we want to know where Prince Hall was from, then all we need to do is take note of the only time he references 'home' in his letters.

The only time Prince Hall refers to a ‘home’ is in a 1789 letter to the Countess of Huntington concerning the preaching of Rev. John Marrant (1755-1791), and tells her that he (Marrant) is a Black minister “from home.” Ordained in 1785, Marrant, one of the first Black preachers and missionaries in North American (first in Nova Scotia), was born in New York City in 1755, and after his father’s death he moved with his mother to Florida, Georgia, and Charleston, South Carolina.

References

For instance, when Hall mentions "home" is he meaning his current home, a residence at a point in time, or his birthplace? For a time, Marrant lived with Hall - so "home" might mean Boston. Or, if he means his birthplace, it could mean Marrant's birthplace, New York City. Or, perhaps Nova Scotia. Does anyone have the In Prince Hall book and have more information about what Gray was getting at... or concluding?--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:31, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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