Talk:Pokuttia

Nomenclature

Was the original choice of nomenclature made on purpose for annoying and edit warring or it just happened so? --Irpen—Preceding unsigned comment added by Irpen (talk • contribs) 18:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected and rephrased some. I hope it will not start another Battle of Wołodarka. --Irpen 20:23, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks!

Oh, sorry. I forgot to thank for the article creation itself. :). Sorry again, --Irpen 20:35, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Conquered by Stephen III of Moldavia in 1530?

I doubt that a man who died in 1504 could conquer something in 1530. Could someone correct this? Anonimu 13:41, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I found this:

"În ultimii ani de domnie, Ştefan cel Mare a făcut incursiuni în Podolia şi Pocuţia (1492, după 1497), instalînd în aceste provincii polone (ce-i drept, cu populaţie amestecată, formată din slavi şi din români) posturi vamale moldoveneşti."

from http://www.hasdeu.md/bibliopolis/informatia9/momento.html bogdan—Preceding undated comment added at 16:22, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is not a wrong fact. Stephan the Great managed to expand the boundaries of Moldova. He had a few battles with the Ottoman Empire's army for the southern territories of Moldova and had military encounters with Hungary too. I guess, somebody made a mistake while identifying the year, but Pokutia, as well as Bukovina, were parts of Moldovan principality in medieval times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaneS18 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expanssion of this article? Invitation for people who can contribute

I have expanded the 14th-16th century in the History section of the article. My contributions are by no means meant to emphasize that period. On the contrary, this is the part I was able to contribute, at least for now, due to some of my interests in middle age relations and military. And I hope that it will induce other editors to contribute to expand the article's other parts. The parts that I contributed are interested from pure historical point of view, and have no ethnical or irredentist meaning whatsoever.

If you have any observations or objections to my edits, could you please address them here before doing changes in the article. (Obviously I only refer to the 14th-16th century period.) :Dc76 20:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest adding the following information about the Bukovina-Pokutia dialect that originated in Pokutia: The territory of Pokutia had been part of Moldavia since the 14th century. The Moldavian state had appeared by the mid-14th century, eventually expanding its territory all the way to the Black Sea. Bukovina and neighboring regions were the nucleus of the Moldavian Principality, with the city of Iasi as its capital from 1388 (after Baia and Siret). ^[1] When Moldova established its' control over part of Pokutia and Bukovina occurred a process of romanization. Moldavian language influenced the language spoken by locals, and the Pokutia-Bukovyna dialect was formed. It is distinct from other Ukrainian dialects because all of them are influenced by other Slavic languages, while the Pokutia-Bukovyna dialect was formed under the influence of Romance languages. The dialect preserved several archaic endings and soft declension, and certain lexical peculiarities, including Rumanianisms. The expansion of ancient Pokutian phonetic features in the 14th-16th centuries in western Podolia contributed to the formation of a broader group of Dniester dialects.^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaneS18 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CS%5CO%5CSouthwesterndialects.htm
^ Encyclopedia of Ukraine: Volume I: A-F Plus Map and Gazetteer. (1984). United Kingdom: University of Toronto Press, Scholarly Publishing Division.

Sofia Rotaru in the lead?

Could anybody explain why is a song of Sofia Rotaru notable in the lead section of an article on a geographic region? I would like a reply from somebody who is not a fan of Rotaru. Thank you. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 08:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

Pokuttia seems to be lumped together with Hutsulshchyna in this article. Ethnographically and historically, "A historical-geographic upland region bounded by the Dnister River and the Podolian Upland to the north, the Prut River and Subcarpathia to the south, the Stanyslaviv Depression to the west, and the Kitsman Depression and the Sovytsia River to the east." (this is from the Encyclopedia of Ukraine). Many of the links at the end of the article are to Hutsul towns, not Pokuttian. --lubap 24 May, 2016 —Preceding undated comment added 03:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet 04:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pokuttya → Pokuttia – The usage of three common spellings Pokutia, Pokuttia, and Pokuttya is mixed, but Pokuttia might be the most WP:COMMONNAME by a moderate margin. It also satisfies WP:UKR, which recommends romanization according to the 2010 Ukrainian National system, wherein Покуття → Pokuttia. This spelling also corresponds to the widely used modified Library of Congress romanization. (Pokutia corresponds to the earlier 1996 National system, and Pokuttya to the British Standard 1958 and BGN/PCGN 1965 systems, which have all been superseded.)

Comparing frequency:

Google Advanced Book Search (per WP:SET, with quotation marks, English sources only, excluding “Wikipedia”), limited to 21st century sources:
- Pokuttia: about 1,100 results
- Pokuttya: about 778 results
- Pokutia: about 425 results

Google Scholar Search (per WP:SET, with quotation marks, excluding “Wikipedia”), limited to “Since 2017”:
- Pokuttia: about 252 results
- Pokuttya: about 221 results
- Pokutia: about 32 results

Those numbers are not very significant. A Google Books Ngram chart shows the total usage is such a small number of sources that the “most common” is different from year to year, most years there is no clear winner, and if you change the interval you’ll get a different top result. We should fall back to the standard romanization. —Michael Z. 03:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per detailed and strongly-sourced nomination which indeed satisfies proper transliteration per WP:UKR. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Super Ψ Dro 09:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. Mentatus (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 10:33, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Map

Would it not be better to use the approach taken in the 27 oblast maps linked to from Administrative divisions of Ukraine#List ? Edwardx (talk) 11:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also do not understand why the map used in this article infinitely subdivides modern Ukraine according to various Medieval claims and (through shades of gray) ahistorical ambitions of modern agressor states. 2600:1017:B8C3:1023:200A:F033:9EAF:94C3 (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CS%5CO%5CSouthwesterndialects.htm

[2] Encyclopedia of Ukraine: Volume I: A-F Plus Map and Gazetteer. (1984). United Kingdom: University of Toronto Press, Scholarly Publishing Division.

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