Talk:Podujevë/Archive 2

Population

– Vanjagenije (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanjagenije: Hello there. Yes, I have seen that in addition to my edits on the @List of cities and Towns in Kosovo that are being deleted, now my edit on the @Podujevo page has also been deleted. It is true that I did not use any source, but now I will try to explain it.

In the 2011 census, in many cities of Kosovo were registered only cadastral zones of settlements and not urban areas as a whole. In this case, Podujeva is one of them. So, according to the urban map, 3 neighborhoods of the city of Podujeva in this case are outside the cadastral zone of Podujeva and are registered as residents of the respective villages.

Meanwhile, this is excluded in many different cities of Kosovo. For example, in the city of South Mitrovica, the cadastral zone of Mitrovica has 33,904 inhabitants, while in most cases (including Wikipedia), the city is described as having 46,132 inhabitants because it includes the inhabitants of the villages of Lower Zhabar with 7,394 inhabitants and of Shipol with 4,834 inhabitants, both of which together are an integral part of the city. Source: http://pop-stat.mashke.org/kosovo-ethnic-loc2011.htm http://geoportal.rks-gov.net/search

So, my essence here is that the general population of the urban area of Podujeva to include the neighborhoods of the city located in other cadastral areas. Because the urban area of Podujeva passes the territory of the cadastral zone of Podujeva.

According to the 2011 census, the cadastral zone of Podujeva had 23,453 inhabitants. Meanwhile, the 3 neighborhoods that are left outside the cadastral zone of Podujeva, which are located in the villages: Llapashtice e Poshtme, Obrance and Balloc, but which are an integral part of the city, ie the urban area, have 1014 residential buildings(I personally compressed them). According to the 2011 census, the cadastral zone of Podujeva had 4,829 residential buildings and 200 residential units, which in total means 5,029 in total residential buildings with 23,453 inhabitants. If we divide the number of inhabitants (23,453 inhabitants) by the amount of 5,029 housing units, it turns out that in the cadastral zone of Podujeva live 4.66 inhabitants per residential building. If these 3 neighborhoods of the city have a total of 1014 houses and if we multiply this number by 4.5, it means that these neighborhoods together have 4563 inhabitants. So, calculating this number of inhabitants, it means that the total urban area of Podujeva is about 28,016 inhabitants. Here I have uploaded the photos of these 3 neighborhoods, the urban area and the cadastral area of Podujeva. https://imgur.com/a/blpDL4D. Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by LGashi (talk • contribs) 19:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LGashi: Hi! I moved this discussion here as this is more appropriate location. I understand your points, but you have to understand that Wikipedia depends on reliable sources, and Wikipedia does not allow WP:original research nor WP:Synthesis of sources. Thus, although you are probably right, you need a reliable source that says Podujevo has 28,016 inhabitants. We are not allowed to count them ourselves, we need a published source. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanjagenije: I do not understand your tendency to minimize the population of the urban and municipal area. I never said that I counted the number of inhabitants of these neighborhoods, but I said that I counted the number of residential buildings (houses), and based on the average number of inhabitants per house in the cadastral zone of Podujeva which was 4.66, it turned out that the total number of inhabitants in the urban area is about 28,016 inhabitants.

You have to understand that there are no accurate statistics for these 3 neighborhoods. Because these neighborhoods are part of certain villages which have other inhabited neighborhoods. So the best way to get an approximate number of residents of these neighborhoods is what I did.

I also contacted the director of urbanism of the Municipality of Podujeva, and he gave me a very approximate number of residential buildings with the number I placed. He also said that the number of inhabitants of the urban area is estimated to be around 30,000 inhabitants, based on the number of students, voters, residential buildings, etc.

Until the change of the boundaries of the cadastral zones and the inclusion of these specific neighborhoods in the cadastral zone of Podujeva, I believe that it would be worthy that in addition to the exact number of inhabitants of the cadastral zone of Podujeva which was 23,463 (2011 census), we should also add an approximate number of residents of urban area based on these statistics that I mentioned, because the number of inhabitants of the cadastral zone is neither accurate nor approximate to that of the urban area. This is also allowed by the Wikipedia regulation. The approximate number of inhabitants of the urban area, based on all this, I believe would be 28,016 inhabitants.— Preceding unsigned comment added by LGashi (talk • contribs) 19:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not minimize anything. I just said that WP:V and WP:SYNTHESIS are Wikipedia policies. Unless you can find a reliable source that supports your addition, you should refrain from adding it to the article. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Reason

@Fa7bardh: Hello. Is there a special reason why you are removing the Serbian name of the city or is it just WP:IDL? — Ruach Chayim (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

im not removing it im just putting it where it belongs Fa7bardh (talk) 18:32, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Podujeva, or Besiana (definite Albanian form: Podujevë or Besianë),Podujevo (Serbian Cyrillic: Подујево) see there is the serbian name of the city Fa7bardh (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the article is "Podujevo", not "Podujeva". Thus, "Podujevo" will be in front of the second form of the name (see WP:STIPS). I'm afraid I'll be forced to report you if you continue with these non-constructive changes. — Ruach Chayim (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]