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Comment

Ivan Bartos referenced in the text is different Iban Bartos (not slovak fotball player) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.103.66 (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pirate Party of the Czech Republic → Czech Pirate Party – Czech Pirate Party is the previous name of the article and the official name of the subject; therefore it should be moved back according to consensus with the user who moved it incorrectly. Der Golem (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support, think this is uncontroversial if the original mover agrees. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 18:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Political position

Pirate politics focus on anti-corruption and open access to media, with other policies varying, none of which is exclusive to a specific position. Wouldn't a more accurate position be "Syncretic" or "Big tent" even? HapHaxion _{(talk / contribs)} 02:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Political position: left-libertarianism vs civil-libertarianism

Wouldn't Civil libertarianism fit more for the czech pirate party then Left-libertarianism ? Left-libertarianism includes marxist theories and socialism theories, which, i guess, are not the goal or in the programm of the czech pirate party. Statefree (talk) 14:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We should basically follow what the sources say, I guess. Anything else is original research.. Jdcooper (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Party is not liberal

I am adding this section, I've reverted which was reverted. It's not disturptive editing, I am correcting added incorrect information (REVERT). Party is social-liberal and social liberalism is part of liberal group. Main-liberal is for example party TOP 09, which supports free-market. This party supports regulated market economy which is social-liberal section, this party have even Far-left faction, which attacks on right-liberal capitalism.^[1] Plus references from politically tinged media. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 17:05, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Concus Cretus: started edit warring after I've reverted his false editation. He should stop. --ThecentreCZ (talk) 17:09, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your claim "party is not liberal" directly contradits sources in the article and the article itself. Your entire argument relies on WP:SYNTH of sources and unrelated statements about other parties.^[2]^[3] --Concus Cretus (talk) 17:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/tozicka-pravicova-politika-stoji-za-utrpenim-desetitisicu-lidi-je-to-zlocin-89146
^ Pirates Seek to Plant a Flag in Prague. U.S. News & World Report. Philip Heijmans. 24. September 2018.
^ Zdeněk Hřib: the Czech mayor who defied China. Robert Tait. TheGuardian.com. 3 February 2020.

Flag?

Is there any source that the party actually uses the flag currently in the infobox? Images are not exempt from the need to be verifiable and reliably sourced. (t · c) buidhe 16:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Failed verification

Concus Cretus is restoring information that fails verification. In both the body and the lead, the information is: "The party's positions range from centre to centre-left and are "liberal" (in contrast to "conservative") within the context of politics of the Czech Republic, while it has both right-wing and left-wing voters." The claim is not supported in the text of the cited source. I believe it may originate in this chart, showing the mean results of a voter survey [1] however the claim is WP:OR as it another person looking at the chart could easily interpret it as "Pirates voters are centrist, rather than left-wing or right-wing" and you get inconsistent results with the other chart which shows the median and does not support center-left.[2] Furthermore, this is just the result of one survey and is not generalizable to the party as a whole without a source explicitly saying so. (t · c) buidhe 14:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If we do include anything from this survey it should be clearly identified as "results of 2016 survey by iDNES.cz, using a convenience sample of readers of the magazine" and details on how the survey defined "liberal", "conservative", "right" and "left"—and it clearly lacks due weight for the lead. (t · c) buidhe 16:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with this interpretation. The meaning of the source is very clear. Removing this valuable source and its contents is baseless. --Concus Cretus (talk) 17:35, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Concus Cretus, If you want to keep this content you need to find a source which says, in text, that these political conclusions are is generally true of the party. This particluar survey has very weak methodology because it is not a generalized, random sample of Czech voters but only a convenience sample selected from those who read a particular newspaper. Exactly how these questions are framed, also has a large effect on the result. (t · c) buidhe 17:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that I have to find what you just described. The existing source has a simple and clear content and this can be used on Wikipedia. I see no rationale for blanking it.--Concus Cretus (talk) 17:53, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability_of_voter_surveys_for_a_party's_ideology (t · c) buidhe 18:06, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you failed to mention the "In a 2016 analysis of voters' perception of political parties" part in that discussion, while still blanking it, seems to be rather biased - because this is a considerable difference. If you feel that some part of the article can be worded better, no one is stopping you from improving it. However, if you think that something is WP:Not perfect, blanking it baseless.--Concus Cretus (talk) 18:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over how to display 2021 results

‎ThecentreCZ, ‎Concus Cretus cut it out or you will get blocked you've both gone way over the line for reverting. I don't have an opinion right now on which version to use but you guys need to discuss it on the talk page rather than just reverting each other. (t · c) buidhe 23:40, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:ThecentreCZ: Currently, the section Czech Pirate Party#Chamber of Deputies reads that in the 2021 election, the Czech Pirate Party gained 839,448 and 15.60% of the votes. This is plain misinformation. These numbers correspond to the Pirates and Mayors, not to the Czech Pirate Party that is the topic of this article. You deleted one possible solution of this problem repeatedly, while not proposing any other way how to alleviate this issue of "839,448" and "15.60%". So kindly present here your solution of mitigating this problem of misinformation in the current state of the article.--Concus Cretus (talk) 18:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/tozicka-pravicova-politika-stoji-za-utrpenim-desetitisicu-lidi-je-to-zlocin-89146

[2] Pirates Seek to Plant a Flag in Prague. U.S. News & World Report. Philip Heijmans. 24. September 2018.

[3] Zdeněk Hřib: the Czech mayor who defied China. Robert Tait. TheGuardian.com. 3 February 2020.

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