Talk:Pioneer League (baseball)

Expanding this page

I'm new to this page, but I'd like to see a lot more information on it so that it mirrors more closely other MILB league pages with expanded content. For starters, I propose adding a section below "Pioneer League Teams (1939-)" called "Pioneer League Champions." Minor League Baseball has a complete list of every championship team since 1939, so it should be able for me to populate.Pistongrinder (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Be bold. Go for it! I mostly edit MiLB-related articles. Let me know here or on my talk page if you need any help. NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Sounds great. Thanks for reaching out and offering a hand. I like the work you've done on the List of Southern League champions; I'll take a stab at creating a similar table for this page.Pistongrinder (talk) 19:50, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

"Teams" section

@Ccui123: Please explain why you reverted the near entirety of the work I put into updating the "Teams" section, and also why references and links for readers' convenience to the American Association, Atlantic League, and Frontier League were removed? — AFC Vixen 🦊 19:12, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, It's nothing personal, I just thought that you left out relevant info in your new update. Also, some parts of the your updated were not based on new news (for instance the info about the new "Sacramento" team). BTW, I do think your timeline is marvelous and I kept it. Regarding the other leagues: I don't have strong opinion about that, but I do think it's not something you should write in a league page first few sentences, the same way you won't write in a AAA/AA league page what are the other leagues in that level. I hope it answer your questions. Ccui123 (talk) 19:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

It's nowhere near an adequate answer, sorry. It doesn't explain the removal of the interactive OSM Location Map and the reformatting of the teams tables, along with the restoration of that entire list of franchise iterations that the timeline was made to replace in the first place. I'm not sure what you mean by "not based on new news", when the 2024 Pioneer League schedule is out,[1] and the team is clearly referred to as "Northern California Baseball". I don't understand why this single issue justifies the sheer amount you reverted. — AFC Vixen 🦊 19:51, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

First, I missed the league announcement, but if you're making such a change it should be accompany by the reference you now added. Second, you deleted entire column from the team section and the entirety of the "Pioneer League teams (1939–present)" section for no reason. I light of the new league announcement your map should return and we should scrap the division format, but it doesn't explain why we need to delete the "Pioneer League teams (1939–present)" section, or the delete the "founded" column. Ccui123 (talk) 20:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I restored the map and team table and corrected the years founded/joined. I also added citation to the "Northern California Baseball" team name. Ccui123 (talk) 20:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

An exhaustive list of every single iteration of every franchise isn't needed when a simple list of the few former franchises and a timeline suffices. It's confusing for the reader to present a history of the league's teams in such a deconstructed manner. A seperate "founded" column adds complication to a table that should explicitly, and without distraction, display the most relevant basic information; nobody needs to know that the B's technically existed a year before they started playing, for example. People seem already confused enough by this league's history as it is, and you exemplified that confusion in your recent edit, where, despite seperating the columns again, you failed to use them to make note of the PaddleHeads' franchise having joined in 1939, of the Raptors and Vibes having joined in 1977, ect. This is why I endeavoured to make these broad changes in the first place. — AFC Vixen 🦊 20:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I get your point, but it's not a newspaper article, it's encyclopedia article. From my point of view the article should include as much info as possible (and I'm already think that minor leagues articles are light as it is). If you're want to change founded/joined years because you think other editors made mistake in the past, you're welcome to do it. That's the way I look at it, and it's just a one person opinion. I understand that it can be upsetting if you worked hard on something and someone comes and change it (it's happened to me as well in the past), but again it's not personal, and I hope nothing I did will deter you from wanting to improve this article in the future. Ccui123 (talk) 17:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

It absolutely should not have “as much info as possible.” It’s even a policy that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. So, please don’t edit articles with this mindset in the future. — AFC Vixen 🦊 22:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)