Talk:Physical Society of Iran

Speedy Deletion Nomination

Keep It is obviously notable and needs a page. See American Physical Society, American Association of Physics Teachers and other similar societies. Sangak 14:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete CSD A7 is used where the article does not "assert the importance or significance of its subject". There is no information in the article justifying the importance of the organisation such as research, publications, significant involvment, etc. Additionally, comparing it to other organisations you feel are similar to it does not satisfy the notability requirment. Additionally, WP is not a directory, nor is it an indiscriminate collection of information. Based on this, I feel that CSD A7 tagging for this article is totally justified. thewinchester 14:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The job of a scientific society is to organize conferences, offer scholarships, awards and alike. What is your definition of notability? Sangak 14:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On WP, this is the primary notability criteria. A topic is notable if supported by sufficient, independent, and reliable works nor is it synonymous with "fame" or "importance". To organise things or to offer services is not notable. If the organisation published significant works, be it a journal, research paper or a journal article that appeared in a publication of significance, then this may go some way to meeting the criteria. Simply put, this article is a directory entry at best and does not come close to the requirments of WP:N. In short, this article should be deleted. thewinchester 15:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First of all a scientific organization does not necessarily publish scientific papers. Second a scientific organization does not necessarily deals with research directly (often not). It may give some service to researchers like travel grants. That's all. Associations are not involved in the act of research and science production. TWAS does not have a research journal either. Third, Iranian physics community is highly prolific (it is not related to our discussion though). Sangak 16:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not 100% sure but I strongly guess German Physical Society which is the oldest physical society does not have any reputable international journal today. Many more examples can be found here Sangak 16:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"To organise things or to offer services is not notable." Who said that??!!! Even the act of publishing is a service! This fact aside, the majority of papers published in journals of American physical society are written by non-members of American Physical Society. Finally The Iranian Physical Society has proved instrumental in improving the state of training and research in physics throughout the nation.[1] That's enough for its notability. Sangak 16:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Although it is an article about an organisation, it fails WP:CSD#A7 which clearly says about non-notability organisations. With respect...Telly addict^{Editor review!} 18:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please justify that! To me it is notable because it achieved a lot in terms of education in Iran, it organizes regular international scientific meetings, offers scholarships and awards and is doing what a scientific organization like UNESCO, TWAS, German Physical Society etc are doing. They all give service. And they give service to a limited group of people. For instance American Physical Society is not much active in Iran, it does not give any scholarship to Iranian ... Can I say it is not notable? Ofcourse it is notable for United States as German Physical Society is notable for Germans and Iranian one for Iranians. Please be advised that these societies are not science producing bodies. I was myself a member of American Chemical Society. I am neither American, nor I have been to America. I just paid the fee and I get some newsletters and can have discount if I want to attend American conferences. These societies are to help scientists communicate more easily. Sangak 18:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The CSD is about claims to notability, not notability itself. I quote from the reference:

The Physical Society of Iran, relaunched in 1982, enjoys both an active and growing membership and an expanding agenda of activities. Today, nearly 5000 individuals belong to the society, representing a threefold increase over the past decade. In addition to its awards scheme and publications programme, the society holds conferences in several different fields each year, including optics and condensed matter physics. Moreover, its annual general conference, usually attended by more than 600 people, serves as the touchstone of its yearly calendar of events. Through its recognition of achievement, programmes for exchange and collaboration, and influence among policy makers, the society has proved instrumental in improving the state of training and research in physics throughout the nation.

In my opinion this is a claim to notability, to which the article alludes. Whether anyone thinks this is notable is another matter. This should be taken to AfD instead of speedy deletion. -- zzuuzz^(talk) 18:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This organisation also appears to be known as the Physics Society of Iran [2]. I'm going to remove the speedy tag and suggest it gets taken to AfD, if anyone is so inclined. -- zzuuzz^(talk) 18:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep It's notable, and there are plenty of precedents in Category:Physics organizations. Siyavash 20:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep The society is notable and influential, organizing and sponsoring regular conferences, publishing a journal in Persian language, as well as awarding scholarships and awards. Shervink 15:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)shervink[reply]

No question

I added some information to the article to alleviate the strange claim of failing notability. Google alone gives 72,000 hits for the Persian string of "Physics Society of Iran".--Zereshk 03:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename?

I think this article should be renamed from The Physical Society of Iran to Physics Society of Iran. The society itself seems to use both forms - I guess this is a translation thing - and the latter would seem to be more normal English. Any opinions? -- zzuuzz^(talk) 04:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I almost solely find the term Physical Society, sometimes the less commmon Society of Physics. I have not found an equivalent society in English speaking countries that uses Physics Society, but instead always Physical Society. Since the PSI itself also seems unsure which form to use, I renamed the page according to the most common usage among physicists. D'Lemelo (talk) 14:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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