Talk:Pensée (Immanuel Velikovsky Reconsidered)

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References for this article

I mentioned this at the second AfD, but should mention it here too. I've added a bibliography section to this article. If somebody wants to work on this article, they can probably get the full text to those references by asking over at WP:REX. Cheers. 64.40.54.112 (talk) 02:27, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Dumond book is NOT a Reliable Source for information on Velikovsky and Pensée because its source material is a reprint of an article by M. Goodspeed, a known Velikovsky hagiographer and son of Pensée's publisher, David Talbott, and contains much erroneous material such as the notion that Velikovsky was one of Einstein's colleagues and that Pensée resumed publication in 1972 instead of 1971. The Ginenthal book purely on the basis of its scientific infelicities and errors is also NOT a Reliable Source. Phaedrus7 (talk) 21:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Phaedrus7: thanks for the note. Question, is it possible you mean the sources are non-WP:NPOV as opposed to non-WP:RS (refering to Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Biased or opinionated sources)? If you think the sources are non-RS, then by all means remove them. We're here to improve our content and if I make a mistake I'm happy for somebody to correct it. Thanks. 64.40.54.174 (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Dumond book is not WP:RS for Pensée information because of the two examples given and the fact that Goodspeed, the author of the Velikovsky passage is a propagandist, not a scholar. The Ginenthal book, as it turns out, is irrelevant to Pensée because the index contains no entries for Pensée, Student Academic Freedom Forum (its sponsor), or David Talbott (its publisher). The two best sources for information about Pensée would seem to be Michael Gordin's The Pseudoscience Wars (U. Chicago, 2012) and Henry Bauer's Beyond Velikovsky (U. Illinois, 1984) Phaedrus7 (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the references in question. 64.40.54.4 (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]