Talk:Pam Ewing

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Wikify and cleanup

This article needs cleanup (tone and structure) and wikifying. --Bensin 21:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will try to work on this article -- it is a mess. Dbart 21:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name

This article should be under the name Pamela Barnes Ewing. It is, after all, her common name. Allukka (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Since she hasn't been married to Bobby in well over thirty years, I think it's safe to say that we should stick with simply having Barnes as her last name. There's been no evidence that she kept the Ewing name. HorrorFan121 (talk) 19:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested move

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The result of the move request was: Soft Move to Pam Ewing - I find no particular consensus for the move, but it was proposed and stood unopposed for nearly a month, so appears uncontroversial. NPASR. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 09:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pamela Barnes → Pam Ewing – WP:UCN this character is commonly known as "Pam" and is most popularly known as part of the Ewings, not as Barnes. 76.65.128.43 (talk) 06:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit request on 16 April 2013

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On the 2nd season finale of the current Dallas series, Pamela was officially confirmed as having died in July of 1989, due to Pancreatic Cancer. Her death certificate was presented and eyewitness testimony confirmed it. This should be noted on her profile and the references to her death "never being confirmed" should be removed.

Rogbjr (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed. This was a MAJOR plot point last night. The paragraph in question could be revised as follows (I've cleaned up some unnecessarily awkward wording): "During the airing of J.R. Ewing's funeral, viewers learned that he had been investigating Pam's disappearance before he died. Despite rumors about the character's return, Victoria Principal had consistently declined any involvement in the new series. The matter was seemingly put to rest in the Season Two finale, "Legacies", when Pam's plastic surgeon explained to Christopher Ewing that Pam died in 1989 from pancreatic cancer and when John Ross Ewing and Pamela Rebecca Barnes discovered Pam's death certificate in a safe-deposit box belonging to Cliff Barnes." In the existing article there's a citation after the words "new series" that should be preserved, but I can't easily copy it because of the page's protected status (can't open the edit box to get at the citation). I've used the phrase "seemingly put to rest" because Ms. Principal is still alive and thus it's not totally far-fetched to speculate that if they ever do convince her to appear, they might decide to go with the idea that the character's death was faked. Given the notorious "Dream Season," I think the word "seemingly" is a legitimate way to describe the situation. In addition, the end of the preceding paragraph that says "Pam has never been declared dead on the show" needs revision. I'd simply delete that sentence because the new material I've proposed amply addresses it. 1995hoo (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the show declared Pam dead so the article should be edited. It was so clear and obvious and without equivocation. Qwerty786 (talk) 00:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Ewing was declared dead and a funeral was held, but he came back a year later. That's why I suggested "seemingly." It appears irrelevant, though, as whoever locked this article appears unwilling to make the needed corrections. Anyone know if there's an administration page where one can raise the issue? 1995hoo (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have closed this {{edit protected}} request solely on the basis that the article has become unprotected (it is still move-protected). Subject to the policies on verifiability and neutral point-of-view, all involved editors should be able to make the requested changed themselves. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I forgot to come back to the talk page and correct that. The person who had imposed the full protection had advised me of the unlocking and I promptly went to work on the article, but I just forgot about the talk page. Thanks for correcting it. 1995hoo (talk) 21:48, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 17 April 2013

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Check the 2nd para of the intro for errors:

Her relationship with Patrick Duffy's cahracter, Bobby, was a central component to the show

Globalroamer (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I have closed this {{edit protected}} request solely on the basis that the article has become unprotected (it is still move-protected). Subject to the policies on verifiability and neutral point-of-view, all involved editors should be able to make the requested changed themselves. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Date of birth

It is correct to say that the fact the that death certificate seen in the revival series, which says she was born on 10 April 1950 "contradicts the flashback scenes of the episode "Jock's Trial, Part II" in Season 3, in which Pamela's mother is pregnant with Pamela after the 1952 presidential election." However I wonder if it would also be worth noting that the date of her birth was already contradicted. Pamela appears as young girl in the last 1951 sequence of 1986's Dallas: The Early Years (the very last scene is of a young Bobby upset at her leaving the Ewing barbecue) and it is heavily implied that her mother was already gone at this point. Thus the film ignored the 1952/53 date of birth (although 1950 would not fit eitherd). The Early Years does contradict a lot of stuff that had been said in earlier seasons of Dallas (eg Ellie's father being alive in 1951 when in season 2 it was implied he had died around the 1930s when Garrison Southworth was presumed dead), but the other character articles do seem to treat it as part of the story for biographical purposes. Dunarc (talk) 23:45, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]