Talk:Owen Ray Skelton

Owen Ray Skelton was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
March 14, 2021	Good article nominee	Listed
February 26, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 27, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Owen Ray Skelton is credited with engineering a rubber engine mount system for cars known as "floating power" to greatly cut down on engine vibration to the chassis?

Current status: Delisted good article

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NY Times obit

I looked up the New York Times obituary in order to put a specific date of death on the article. In doing that, there were some inconsistencies between that and the article that I wanted to discuss. The obit states that he died July 20, 1969, and that he was 81. I believe the date is correct, but the listing of him as 81 would be incorrect per the present Wikipedia article. It would make him 83 at time of death. This might really be inconsequential and I would probably go with 83 just fine over the 81 in the obit, but it does make one wonder. The Obit doesn't specifically state date or year of birth. It does, however, mention that he was survived by his wife Edith, two daughters, a step-daughter, one brother and eleven grandchildren. Also mentions he died in Palm Beach, Florida. The date and place of death I have no problems changing really, but it makes me wonder about his date of birth and his wife. Was he married twice? I didn't just want to take mention of Edna out if that was a different person or, if same person, how to explain the difference. Just some thoughts. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 20:04, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let me try to understand the questions and answer them. The book by Curcio I do not have in front of me and gave back to the library to send back on I.L.L. I remember it (off the top of my head) as saying his wife's name being Edna. The 1930 and 1940 U.S. census says his wife's name is Edna. The Social Security Death Index says: "Born 9 Feb 1886" and "died Jul 1969". Using these numbers he would have been 83 when he died. The 1940 U.S. Census shows he has 2 daughters. Does that answer all your questions?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 00:16, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fairly well. I will go ahead and put the death date and place in per the obit, but will leave the wife's name as Edna for now. Edith could just be a nickname or middle name for Edna or just a mistake in the obit, possibly. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 00:27, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Owen Ray Skelton/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 21:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

No need to link "engineer".

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"nd member of the Automotive Hall of Fame" perhaps "and automobile designer" and then say "He was elected to the ... HoF in ..." later in the lead?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"core engineering people" people seems odd here, maybe "one of the core group who"?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Tourist Automobile Company, Allis-Chalmers, Studebaker" any of these link?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"moving engineer" never heard of this term.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:12, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Skelton was born on February 9, 1886. He went by the nickname "Skelt.". " too short, jarring prose, needs to flow better. And did he go by the nickname immediately?? And one too many periods there.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"His family was living in" -> His family lived in

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"first automotive job" perhaps "first job in the automotive industry"

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"cutting-edge" this is POV.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"simultaneously gained" gained is repetitive here.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"ground-floor partner in design" I don't understand this.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"the Benham automobile from 1914 to 1916. It was a startup firm" the automobile was a firm? Needs a minor reword.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It was a startup firm but the automobile failed to sell" why "but"? I imagine plenty (most?) startups fail.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"South Bend" what's that?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"drive trains, transmissions" links

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"turned their eyes" bit unencyclopedic in tone.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"CEO" don't use abbreviations without explanation. And I would use "chief executive officer" when you introduce Chrysler rather than when you refer to him in later in the article.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"engineering innovation spread throughout" do you mean it was "adopted throughout" the industry?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"GM" you need to put that as (GM) after the first mention of "General Motors" (it's obvious to you, but not all readers).

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"was put into" elected? Inducted? How? Why? Citation?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"He lived in Palm Beach and in Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan." perhaps before you mention his death, this could be mentioned.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Survivors at the time of his death were his wife Edith," and the rest of the planet who were alive. Perhaps "He was survived by" as we normally say in these

circumstances?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"1920-1980" en-dash.

Done - Don't know how to do. Can you help me on this one? Thanks!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Refs 12 and 14 are under-formatted, need publisher, dates etc.

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Machinists"? Is that in the article?

Done --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it, on hold. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Working Thanks for review. I'll start working on the issues.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: All issues have been address. Can you take another look. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Doug, one last thing, the infobox says he was a Democrat but that's not mentioned or referenced anywhere else? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - Took Democrat out of infobox. Will that work. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
FYI - Here is a video I made in 2012 for my siblings and relatives to show how I write Wikipedia articles. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Doug, good to see how tidy your research station is, nothing like mine, but thankfully a lot of what I need is online these days! Happy with the article so I'm passing to GA. Don't relax though, I'll be taking another tranche of GANs in due course and I predict at least one will be yours... Cheers, keep up the good work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: - Odds are you will since I have 3 dozen GANs. During the last GA drive in October (2020) I made 34 Good Articles during the 31 days of the month.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:53, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]