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On 14 September 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Oskol (river). The result of the discussion was not moved.

Should this be moved to Oskil?

That's the Ukranian name of it after all. Neonchameleon (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The river flows through two countries, not only Ukraine. Beaumain (talk) 19:55, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 September 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 05:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oskil (river) → Oskol (river) – I believe that the sources used say "Oskol" more than "Oskil". Thus, the article should be moved to Oskol (river). Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose all recent English sources that I'm seeing use Oskil, not Oskol. Results may change from country to country, but seaching Oskil river (without quotes) and clicking on the news section gives me 6,760 results; there's only 479 results if I do the same with Oskol river. Super Ψ Dro 19:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Are those geographic/encyclopedic sources, or just news sources that refer to the most recent events in Ukraine? Beaumain (talk) 14:13, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about news. I don't think it's a requirement that they be sources like you described. Super Ψ Dro 08:43, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just a comment that (i) the article was moved a few days ago without discussion; (ii) the Russian cities which are on this river are Stary Oskol (actually, a big one) and Novy Oskol, and these articles are not going to be moved. There also some derivatives as well, such as Oskol Electrometalurgy Plant (no article currently but clearly notable, may be I should write one).--Ymblanter (talk) 07:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I even see it was moved three times recently, the last time against my explicit warning. Ymblanter (talk) 07:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I believe that they do not. As pointed out above, do not confuse mentions of the names of Russian city and town, the Ukrainian village, and the Ukrainian soccer team with references to this river. —Michael Z. 15:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose common sense Great Mercian (talk) 08:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename. The river is best known by the cities named after that.Beaumain (talk) 14:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What does “known by the cities” mean? How does it relate to our guidelines? The titles of the articles on the Russian settlements have the spelling Oskol, and the article on the Ukrainian settlement has the spelling Oskil. But we are not talking about them, but the name the river is known by. —Michael Z. 18:39, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

’’’Oppose’’’ - recent, reliable news sources call it Oskil. See this from today. Bearian (talk) 16:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A Google News search for me returns:
- "Oskil" -Wikipedia 43 results (64% of total)
- "Oskol" -Wikipedia 24 results (36%)
—Michael Z. 02:12, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As with all rivers, this one has its greatest volumetric flow rate at its mouth, which lies in Ukraine. Hence, the Ukraine's case for the common name (Oskil) is stronger even though it starts in Russia. 103.141.102.6 (talk) 12:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Current common English name of the river is clearly "Oskil". (English language) Wikipedia is not for setting the standard of translations, but article names should follow current standards in the English speaking world. If this changes the article can be changed. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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