Talk:Oromo expansion

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Migrations or Conquests?

looks like the Theme of 'Migration' was misleading to me. as i read its nature were act of conquestsAhendra (talk) 17:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Migration implies a cyclical movement, coming and then going. This article is not about a "migration". The established and commonly used term among academics is "expansion", or "conquests". Pete unseth (talk) 15:35, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you and I agree. Bahrey the author of the well known book to denounce indigenous Oromos is a book of based on propaganda and prejudice claiming Oromos are Muslim extremists taking over Ethiopia. Keep in mind oromo cannot be invaders in their indigenous god given land. I vow to fight this propaganda and myth. Oromos have had their history altered and destroyed by a Semitic invader ethnic group. Abolish.propoganda (talk) 23:19, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes exactly. It is simply Government propaganda to try to undermine Oromos and make them appear weak. Leyncho (talk) 07:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

renaming

I saw the title of the article quite underwhelming as well as not making the reader grasp the great size of these migrations, and how it had a massive impact on the ethnic, political, and religious makeup of the Horn of Africa. The mass movement of Oromo pagan tribesmen in the midst of a disastrous warring period with the Abyssinian Christians and Somali Muslims vying for political and religious supremacy of the Horn radically dismantled nearly both sides. It also resulted in a mass homogenization of disparate racial and ethnic groups by assimilating them into Oromo tribes.

Thanks. Lathan11 (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

And that is why in the south, Oromo people look more like Nilotes, but in the north they look more like Amhara or Habesha people. Originally Oromo people were much more like Somali people, even though there are conflicts among them today. FastInjera (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Really, in clear way bad title to give this great settlement of this big historic people.

I would recommend expansion or settlement. 213.55.92.81 (talk) 17:44, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Removing the article

This topic must put under Oromo people for the following reasons.

• 1. It is controversial and already put in oromo.
• 2. Oromo never accepted and trace back its ancestor to this region which Oromia region education bureau and Oromia tourism did not accept.
• 3. Many written history of Oromo did not mention this.
• 4. It depends largely on 1 source bharay which is competitor/violent to Oromo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dotohelp (talk • contribs) 18:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Adding more historical context to the timeline

After reading Chapters 3, 4, and 5 of The Oromo & the Christian Kingdom of Ethiopia 1300-1700, a peer reviewed textbook written by Mohammed Hassen (a professor of Eastern African and Middle Eastern history at Georgia State University), this article still holds to be fairly accurate, but is in desperate need of context as to why the Oromo Migrations had such success in the 1500s, and the impact that would have on the greater scale of the Ethiopian area.

I will add a section explaining the 'gada' system, which was the word used for the 8 year rotating terms of office served by the 'Luba', which refers to the actual people who made up the gada. I will correct the usage of 'Luba' as 'gada' throughout the article and make a clear distinction between the two. I will give a thorough explanation of the institution of moggaasaa, which broadly means the system of adoption which lead to the large scale of diversity within the Oromo population during the times of migration, and explain how this ease of assimilation into Oromo culture was one of the primary reasons for their vast expanse. The motivation for the beginning of the Oromo migrations is also not spoken about, so I will add a section that synthesizes the 'Legend of Liqissma', which is an Oromo story based on the growing power of the Christian empire to the Oromo pastoralist's south. For the first two gada's (not Lubas) of Mélbah and Mudena, I will add an explanation of Oromo tactics, namely how Oromo pastoralists allied with both Christians and Muslims to encourage the continued war between the two parties in hopes of weakening them both. Also, I will explain the three part system by which the expansions actually occurred: "scouting, night time surprise attacks, then settlement"..

Overall, I will probably add about 500 words of text, mostly in regards to the systems of expansion (like the Moggaasaa system and the three steps of expansion) and the context of Christian power and jihadic wars being some of the key roots of the Oromo migrations. Throughout the rest of the article I will correct the confusion between 'Luba' and 'gada' and provide definitions for both.

If anyone has any thoughts, please feel free to reply here or on my personal talk page. Thank you!

Jaxsonthornton (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Title

The title should be changed, I don't think this satisfies WP:CRITERIA. It should be changed to the "Oromo migrations or "Great Oromo Expansions" محرر البوق (talk) 20:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

It was not typical conventional warfare and can be compared to the Migration Period but various sources consider it an invasion as well. I recall a historian stating it was incorrectly titled migration when infact it was a violent invasion but I will come up with a compromise the title can be changed back if the following is included in the introduction also known as Oromo Invasions or Galla Invasions. Magherbin (talk) 09:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. محرر البوق (talk) 03:59, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I am surprised at the change of title. Was there a prior discussion about whether to make this major change?Pete unseth (talk) 17:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Change the Title

I believe that the title should be changed to the "Great Oromo Expansions" or simply the "Oromo Expansions" instead of the Oromo migrations or invasions. The reason being is due to the controversial meaning of state when you call it either simply migrations or invasions. In fact, it was both a migrating and invading period. The word "expansions" sums these two together. Invading + Migration = Expansion. Abrasax123 (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

WP:RM is how you go about doing it. Srnec (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

There already is an existing page for "Oromo Expansions". Abrasax123 (talk) 15:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

It can be moved out of the way or deleted, but the way to get consensus for a change of title is the procedure outlined at WP:RM. Srnec (talk) 21:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

South/North confusion

The end of the “Legend of Liqimsaa” section makes reference to a northward expansion triggered by “Christian military colonists to the south”. This doesn’t seem to fit with the rest of the article or have any source.

“As Christians military colonists continued to bump up against the Oromo from the south, Oromo pastoralists responded by beginning their expansions northward.”

at the time of this expansion, the lands south of Borena (modern-day Kenya) were not inhabited by Christians, and the listed citation is to an unrelated article. 136.54.199.80 (talk) 23:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)