Talk:Old Stock Canadians

This article was nominated for deletion on 7 November 2016. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Dubious definition as "ethnic group"

From the cited sources "old stock Canadian" is meant as a descriptive term encompassing the early French and British European settlers in Canada. That's not an "ethnic group", and none of the sources support the term. As quoted in the article, the only valid ethnic group of old stock Canadians would be the Natives. It's not even an accurate description of the early European settlers:

It's not a cohesive grouping. Canada had about 100 years of virtually French-only immigration before Nova Scotia Quebec was lost to the British in 1713, and there was only minimal British immigration before the loss of Quebec in the 1760s (ending French immigration).
It's not an all-inclusive description of the early settlers either. For example, there were Blacks, Palatine Germans, and descendants of the earliest American settlers. There were Palatine German settlers (both in Nova Scotia before the fall of Quebec, and as United Empire Loyalists during the American Revolution). There were Americans settled in Nova Scotia before the fall of Quebec, some of whom were not loyal to Britain during the Revolution. Meters (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I can't disagree with any of the facts you have put forward here. IMO this article fails WP:N as it now stands. Aloha27 talk 21:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence that this term had been used by NB anyone other than Stephen Harper? (Who is he anyway? The named things a faint bell, but it's like an unpleasant memory that I've pushed out of my mind.) I doubt this should be kept. Ground Zero | t 05:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The same editor also created Old Stock Americans (having had Draft:Old Stock Americans declined). I would support deleting both. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:16, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

this reference suggests that the phrase didn't exist before Harper coined it. I would support deletion as non-notable. Regards, Aloha27 talk 14:15, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated it for deletion. Comments can be added at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old Stock Canadians. Ground Zero | t 15:00, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see age makes a differences here......very old term ....not a new Stephen Harper term at all. Its used by our historians/ Not sure how deletion over correction will help our readers.Very bad idea to redirect this to 2015 elections. Best to get real sources to educated people here and our readers. --Moxy (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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