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An absolutely semi arid and not continental climate. From a person who have been to the city, and knows continental climate cities דולב חולב (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone who knows Kazakhstan knows the big difference between the relatively wet Almaty with big trees, and nice parks to the dry Astana with barely any trees. For sure not trees that gan grow tall enough. דולב חולב (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Climate

Also, the city sits in the steppe region. another confirmation that it’s part of the cold semi arid and not continental climate

דולב חולב (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t disagree with the semi-arid envoirment.

But it is not classified as BSk in Koppen scheme which consideres a threshold of 200mm for Astana to be semi-arid, I don’t know about other classification systems which may put Astana in their semi-arid category.PAper GOL (talk) 06:57, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe things has changed since koppen gave it its classification? Because I know Astana, trees aren’t growing there. you can talk to people who’s living there. Everyone consider it as cold semi arid.

Continental climates does featuring trees.

and as I’ve told you, that’s the known contrast between Almaty and Astana. [1] דולב חולב (talk) 10:56, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think it would be better to use a detailed work of classification which is specifically for Kazakhstan as an extra reference in this section for further clarification.

Still, It has Dfb Classification and Dfb is not called semi-arid in any published works for Koppen.PAper GOL (talk) 11:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We may call it semi-arid with continental influence because annual precipitation is quite close to the dry threshold.

I tried to classify its Climate in Trewartha climate classification as well, again not in Group B(Dry).PAper GOL (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then please, change it the climate section. I’ve remembered in a great example, of a city with a same amount of rainfall with even wetter environment, which still consider as cold semi arid - Denver Colorado! If Denver considered as semi arid, Astana must be too! דולב חולב (talk) 01:49, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denver’s precipitation is more concentrated in summer than Astana. this would change its formulation and make it more likely to be semi-arid(even that changes to humid continental in some suburbs).

As I said before a detailed classification specific for Kazakhstan is the best reference we can find.

Koppen’s Dfb is already cited. Not much can be done for it.PAper GOL (talk) 05:29, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, Denver is almost 20 degrees warmer than Astana in winter, this factor also increases its evaporation and the dry threshold.PAper GOL (talk) 06:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like we have to agree to disagree.

But i know, and the residents of Astana knows, it’s a cold semi arid city. דולב חולב (talk) 03:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The residents are not reliable sources.

And I said several times that there is no specific 400mm threshold in Köppen classification. It is calculated based on the formulas in Semi-arid climate and for Astana is less than 300mm, because the winters are extremely cold (20 degrees colder than Denver). So no, the classification for the given 30-year period is not in group B if we use the data in this table, even if the biome is steppe. PAper GOL (talk) 06:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]