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Privatisation

Demand #2 of the party is:- 2.No to EU directives that privatise our public services however in the majority of EU countries (France, Germany, Spain etc.) the utilities (gas, electricity, water, railways etc.) remain nationalised and there are no plans to privatise them as far as I know. There were never the Thatcherite privatisations of the 80s in continental Europe. There is no mention of privatisation in the Wiki article on the Lisbon Treaty. Is it not possible to re-nationalise water, gas, electricity, railways etc and remain in the EU? Can someone clarify please because either I'm confused or this party is confused. (It's probably the former.) Thanks in advance. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 16:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of both. Many European countries still have major industries nationalised, true, but in other cases 'Europe' in a broad sense has forced privatisation on countries (not sure if it's the EU per se, though). The ECB (much like the IMF) makes calls on countries to modernise their economies, or increase efficiency, in order to gain loans; and in practice this means austerity and privatisation. Eurozone countries that are doing poorly are the most notable cases (eg. Greece) where the other Eurozone countries are having to bail them out and asking for austerity and/or privatisation. That said, it's not clear that this effects Britain, which is why I think the party is a bit confused too. Hope that helps. 81.97.183.92 (talk) 12:37, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Move proposal

This electoral alliance (which will, apparently, also be standing in 2014) calls itself (and is called by others) ~~"NO2EU"~~ "No2EU". The current name appears to be a 2009 campaign slogan of the group. So I propose renaming the article No2EU, which is currently a redirect. I assume this is not controversial. Any objections? --Boson (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Extua (talk) 11:13, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"No2EU" is the primary name registered with the Electoral Commission: [1]. --Killing Vector (talk) 15:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks to admin. --Boson (talk) 22:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

new edits

I've made some edits, they have several separate lists of policies so I merged them into one section around 'summary of main policies', this needs to be expanded with more on the RMT's anti-privatisation stance.Extua (talk) 12:09, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Registration

According to this database:

https://pefonline.electoralcommission.org.uk/Search/ViewRegistrations/Profile.aspx

Yes to Workers' Rights / ie i Hawliau'r Gweithwyr is the registered 'description'.

I couldn't find anything on the link that Boson posted

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 15:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately it is not possible to link directly to the results page, so the link you gave does not work (unless you have just performed the search).

Go to Hroðulf's link. Click on Registration Search (left navigation bar). Under "Entity name", on the right under 'OR free text search', enter 'No2EU'. Click on 'Go'.

This displays at the bottom:

PP 2164 NO2EU Political Party Registered Great Britain 16/10/2013 Y Y

If you now click on the 'PP 2164', you get the "Regulated entity profile", which displays:

Primary name: NO2EU

Alternative name: [nothing]

Under "Emblems" you see

Descriptions: Yes to Workers' Rights.

If you click on the ID for Emblem1 (878), you get an image (Emblem_878.jpg) of the slogan, showing No²EU.

~~So what you called a description is a description of the emblem, which consists of the slogan.~~

QED. --Boson (talk) 19:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It looks different on my screen, which has "Emblem description Emblem 1". I think "Yes to Workers' Rights" is the description that will appear on ballot papers, but since we disagree on how to read the database, let's leave it. 'Description' seems to be arcanely technical, while the phrase is obviously a slogan.

Should we include a footnote explaining how to use the darned database?

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see what you mean. Sorry! I misread that as a description of the emblem. So I would guess that the ballot sheet has a field for the party name (No2EU) and a field for a "description" of the party (which they are "misusing" for their campaign name or slogan, since "Yes to Workers' Rights" by itself is obviously not the name or description of the party).

The database is a pain. I don't think we can really add detailled instructions; perhaps we could just write something like "Use the Registration Search function to search for 'No2EU' and click on the EC Reference Number to display registration details."--Boson (talk) 14:56, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Some UK ballot papers seem to have a field underneath the party name where descriptions and slogans appear in small print.

You are right about instructions. Perhaps we should also say as you told me click on the 'PP 2164'.

--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 17:22, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be a small note to explain how to use the database. Also the information about the name and slogan is replicated both in the introduction and the 2014 European Parliament election section, so I propose that this information only be included in the 2014 section. Extua (talk) 08:16, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about your second point. The purpose of the introduction is to summarize the most important information from the body. See WP:TPA. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:00, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Far-left vs. Left-wing

I should probably have checked on here before I changed this, but I changed the 'far-left' description in the intro to left-wing. Although some of the organisations involved are explicitly far-left, other organisations involved are more centre-left (the Liberals even being a party of the radical centre), and the majority of the organisations - and the tone of the group as a whole, is more like a party like (for analogy) Sosialistisk Venstrepartiet in Norway (described as 'Left-Wing') than Rødt (described as far-left). I'm aware that there can be debate about the distinction, but I'd always tend to say it depends on the group's view of democracy: revolutionaries are far-left, radical reformists (like No2EU) are left. Given that, I've changed it to Left from far-left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.183.92 (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]