Talk:European foreign policy of the Chamberlain ministry

Miscellaneous comments

I dont know if it is appropriate to compliment the author, but my compliments on this article.

The content of this article was moved from the main Neville Chamberlain article. It is very comprehensive, but it could use a few more subheadings - as it is, most of the article is one long section, meaning you don't get to the contents until two-thirds of the way down. Robofish (talk) 20:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Some polishing required in 1939: The containment policy, 2nd paragraph

I edited today some minor errors in the section 1939: The containment policy eg name of 'Frank Ashton-Gwatkin, the Foreign Office's economic expert'. Overall it is well written, & seems to make good use of the references cited, though at times a bit condensed. But I find that there are 2 main improvements that could be made:

1. Most important is to make sense of:

Moreover, statements from the various Dominion governments in the summer of 1939 (that with the exception of the Irish Free State) that unlike in 1938, they would go to war if Britain was a further factor that encouraged risking a war over Poland[1]

where the primary source needs to be consulted as some error(s) have crept in-perhaps a line or so is missing ;).

The rest of the 2nd paragraph could also be double checked. I stumbled on this & got stuck so leave any further edits until this is resolved.

2. To condense the references section, refnames could be used

DadaNeem (talk) 20:44, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: Withdraw as nominator. Shall request a move from Neville Chamberlain's European Policy at WP:RM#TR. --Nevé–selbert 19:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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• Neville Chamberlain's European Policy → Europe policy of the Neville Chamberlain government
• Asian foreign policy of the Narendra Modi government → Asia policy of the Narendra Modi government
• Middle Eastern foreign policy of the Narendra Modi government → Middle East policy of the Narendra Modi government
• Middle Eastern foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration → Middle East policy of the Barack Obama administration
• South Asian foreign policy of the Narendra Modi government → South Asia policy of the Narendra Modi government
• European foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration → Europe policy of the Barack Obama administration
• South Asian foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration → South Asia policy of the Barack Obama administration
• East Asian foreign policy of the Barack Obama administration → East Asia policy of the Barack Obama administration

– Including foreign policy in the title is rather redundant, for reasons mostly self-evident. Per WP:NOUN, "European" or "Middle Eastern" etc. are discouraged. --Nevé–selbert 16:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose as awkward and bordering on ungrammatical (I've never in my life heard someone refer to the "Europe policy"). It's also missing the point; foreign policy is a unitary term of art, with a concrete meaning. There are policies that could pertain to countries/regions/continents that are not part of foreign policy (do not involve national self-interest), e.g. policies to support conservation and humanitarian aid efforts for the betterment of the world. The clarity of meaning is more important than any alleged and rather philosophical "redundancy".  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  18:08, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
  • @SMcCandlish: I see. What do you make of the title of this article, Neville Chamberlain's European Policy? I guess per WP:SCOPE it would make sense to move this article to European foreign policy of the Neville Chamberlain government. (I wp:boldly moved this article myself yesterday, but I later had doubts over whether a move for a nearly eight-year-old article without discussion was ethical, so I moved the page back and resorted here.)--Nevé–selbert 19:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
    • @Neve-selbert: That one is clearly "off" in its current form, and should use "European foreign policy" (lower-case "policy"); the possessive is also not how we do things, and it's not about Chamberlain personally, so the title should surely be European foreign policy of the Neville Chamberlain government, as you intuited initially, per WP:CONSISTENCY and I suppose WP:COMMONSENSE regarding the scope. :-) An argument could be made for some other construction, across the board, such as "Foreign policy for [area] of [goverment/administration]", to resolve any supposed potential confusion about the nature of the adjectival usage of "European", etc. (do we have any evidence of such confusion?), but I suspect it would be rejected per WP:CONCISE, and I would think it would affect more articles, though I have not gone looking.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  19:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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Song God Bless You, Mr Chamberlain (section War premiership)

I have corrected from 1940 to 1938 the year this song was produced. The year is supported by the Imperial War Museum who hold a recording of the song made that year, after his success in completing the Munich Agreement. The details are at https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/80000646. Cloptonson (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I remember a TV documentary about Neville Chamberlain of that title one autumn in the late 1980s. The song was played, along with some nice footage of Chamberlain making a broadcast as Chancellor. I dare say it was 1988 for the Munich anniversary. I think it might have been repeated the following autumn along with the 6 episode Richard Overy series "The Road To War" (1 per country if memory serves).Paulturtle (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Paulturtle: The BBC broadcast a documentary called "God Bless You, Mr Chamberlain" in September 1988, presented by Robert Harris of The Observer. DuncanHill (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

That would be the one. For full nostalgic 1988 flavour, you could also listen to Glenn Medeiros "Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You", Yazz "The Only Way Is Up", Tanita Tikaram "Good Tradition" and the Michael Williams/Holly Aird series "Double First" of which only the first episode has ever been posted to YouTube. Paulturtle (talk) 02:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)