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Old stuff (section title added 1/10/2012)

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Space Cadet calls this original research and removed it: [1] That is all common knowledge and all can be found on internet. Same goes for Coats of Arms of Wroclaw, the Silesian Black Eagle origin. The lack of knowledge or unwillingness to look for info or just plain destructiveness is too great. I gotto go. Labbas 23:42 8 October 2006

Proposal

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Well, one of the most important parts to making Wikipedia a trustworthy encyclopedia is the inclusion of sourced and verifiable information. Even if something might seem like common knowledge to you, it is usually a good idea to provide sources for information added. This is especially true for controversial topics, as many articles connected with German and Polish history tend to be at times.
As there has been contention about this article recently, I propose that it be reverted to the last version by J. 'mach' wust. The disputed information should then be discussed properly at this talk page until a mutually agreeable version is reached. Olessi 01:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about a bit deeper revert, back to Olessi 20:23, 7 June 2006 ? --Lysytalk 04:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine as well. Olessi 22:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd certainly prefer this to revert warring, but others involved would have to agree as well of course. --Lysytalk 03:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Labbas, Space Cadet, would this be acceptable? Olessi 17:34, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly. I would like to see double naming. Space Cadet 00:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And if double naming is instituted, would you be willing to discuss the disputed information as I inquired about before? Olessi 05:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
J mach wust, Smith 2006, Elonka, SmackBot all edited several times since 7 June 2006. They have not been asked. I personally do not think it is a good idea to remove several months of editing. Labbas 11 October 2006
Technical edits like the ones by Elonka or SmackBot were minor and can be easily redone. --Lysytalk 04:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Their edits are practically all copyediting that I can quickly restore. Controversial editing on this article only began in October. The information added since then has not been properly sourced, was not discussed on the talk page, and has led to reverting. Olessi 21:25, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early medieval history

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Much of the dispute in October seems to have been about the population of the region in the 10th century and used this Polish government link as reference. From my understanding of the text, it does not mention the Lubusz/Neumark territory, nor does it specify the people who lived there. It does mention the unification of Polish tribes, but it does not say that Polans lived in Lubusz Land at the time or say what Slavic tribe lived there instead. The page, which seems to be a survey of Polish history for the unfamiliar as opposed to a scholarly work, does not specify how the region came under Polish control. I have edited the article to mention that the region came under Polish control during the rule of the dukes. Olessi 23:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED per request. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neumark (region) → Neumark – The most commmon meaning of "Neumark" is the historical region. The current Neumark would correspondingly be moved to Neumark (disambiguation). Olessi 19:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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English name

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How about changing the article title to the English name of the region, New March ? --Lysytalk 14:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I do not currently have access to my library, but it has been my experience that Neumark has been used more frequently in English publications than the translated New March.

Although many of the "Neumark" books are in German, there are numerous examples of its usage in English. In comparison, there are fewer usages of "New March". Olessi 23:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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